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I know, in fact our NAS with MySQL should be more than capable to move any amount of data we can require, but... those guys seem to point to very big companies unless you want to store everything in the cloud, then there are plenty of options.
The software is SAGE 200, don't think this will be available out of Spain.
I am looking at ODOO, let's see if those guys allow me to install their software into our NAS.
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Joan M wrote: the ones I am seeing require to be able to execute Microsoft SQL Server
Yeah, that's probably where the requirements are coming from. I love SQL Server, but a full-blown enterprise-level relational database like that is serious overkill for a single-user system. You also might have to look into the licensing for SQL Server if that isn't included, and it ain't very cheap.
Are there alternatives that don't require SQL Server?
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Sure, by now I am using a software in a pentium 3 computer with Windows XP which works perfectly well but that don't cope with the new legal requirements, been trying another one in my NAS PHP+MySQL based that works perfectly (performance wise) and almost well (accountant wise), but the ones I am seeing require to be able to execute Microsoft SQL Server and therefore they ask for:
Intel Xeon (*1) + 8 Gb RAM + 100 Gb SSD or SAS.
Given their crazy requirements I thought of getting something that could run that software and some of the things I have now in my NAS at the same time and make it a little future proof... so go figure...
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I can't say I'm familiar with the accounting software options that exist out there, but I can't imagine even a phone would be underpowered for simple accounting tasks nowadays. In terms of technical requirements, I mean, obviously you don't wanna use a phone for that.
But a server rack? 8TB of space? 32GB of RAM? Multiple hard drives and SSDs? Are you auditing the Pentagon?
Any machine ought to do IMO for running the actual software; the real expense, I think, is going to be your backup system. And I suppose this is where you can blow any budget, depending on how crazy you wanna get. But that's really a separate thing.
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The requirements on their web site are:
Intel Xeon (*1) + 8 Gb RAM + 100 Gb SSD or SAS.
Given their crazy requirements I thought of getting something that could run that software and some of the things I have now in my NAS at the same time and make it a little future proof...
OF course I will have to store there 20 years of code, documentations, installation packages for the programs I have used and all their versions... Currently I have 6TB and I am using 80% of that.
PS: ARRRR, I have some other big files there that are not work related and kid sister safe too.
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Joan M wrote: +/- 8TB of data space available would be nice.
+/- 32GB RAM available would be nice.
Nice wishlist! Are you sure this is not overkill?
I've got a 12+ y/o tower server in my home office. It was last rebuilt about 5 years ago when one of the original spinners crapped out, now running Server 2016 and no spinners, just 2 SSDs hanging out of the side and an external drive hooked up in the back.
This old box still easily handles everything I throw at it. It's roles:
0: fileserver (all company projects/documentation/etc.)
1: webserver (public facing websites and ftp/sftp services) currently serving around 25 or so company/customer web apps.
2: database server (sql server)
3: print server
4: email server
I'm considering moving the customer web apps/databases to the cloud and getting a laptop to run everything else.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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The requirements on their web site are:
Intel Xeon (*1) + 8 Gb RAM + 100 Gb SSD or SAS.
Given their crazy requirements I thought of getting something that could run that software and some of the things I have now in my NAS at the same time and make it a little future proof...
I plan to use it for the accounting software, GIT, PHP/MySQL, file server and nothing else.
Truly I'd love being able to keep my NAS and let all this go... 
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If your accounting software needs that much horsepower, something's wrong.
Me? I'd instantly create a VM and be done with it. Now I tend to buy higher end laptops, and I always get at least 64GB of ram. But as others have said, an itty-bitty cube PC with an external USB drive and you are done.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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The requirements on their web site are:
Intel Xeon (*1) + 8 Gb RAM + 100 Gb SSD or SAS.
Given their crazy requirements I thought of getting something that could run that software and some of the things I have now in my NAS at the same time and make it a little future proof...
I agree you... something is wrong here... I have two options: paying for a monthly fee and not owning the program and therefore risking losing the data if I can't pay after a financial apocalypse (nothing that worries me much by now) or getting a massive computer and pay for a monthly fee to get maintenance... something that if I stop paying will leave me with a functional program and data.
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Joan M wrote: I could use require SSD and Windows to run.
I could see the second but I doubt the first. Unless perhaps you wanted to use floppies?
Joan M wrote: Would it be better to get a tower server? or a rack server?...8TB of data space available would be nice.
What?!?!
Just to run accounting software?
Looking at 'QuickBooks Desktop' it does suggest 16GB of memory. It is not an online solution. Storage is 2.5GB on drive.
And QuickBooks is probably overkill.
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The requirements on their web site are:
Intel Xeon (*1) + 8 Gb RAM + 100 Gb SSD or SAS.
Given their crazy requirements I thought of getting something that could run that software and some of the things I have now in my NAS at the same time and make it a little future proof...
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As others have said, a small "cube" PC should suffice.
HOWEVER I see no mention of the required operating system. Recently my nephew consulted me on new server hardware to run the latest version of their ERP software, but that was nothing compared to the OS requirement (Windows Server 2019 minimum, CALs, SQL Server, 1 license per user) which could have tripled the cost of the replacement.
What do they require? Will it run single user on Windows 10/11?
Frankly, seeing as they only require 8GB ram I doubt that it merits a Xeon with Windows Server on it.
So old that I did my first coding in octal via switches on a DEC PDP 8
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Joan M wrote: The requirements on their web site are:
I pulled the previous post from their website. Click on "Hardware and operating system requirements"
https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-us/help-article/product-system-requirements/system-requirements-quickbooks-desktop-2023/L36CSOf2x_US_en_US[^]
Disk Space...2.5GB of disk space
What it does say is the following. However that is just marketing noise because ANY software that is sourced on a SSD drive is going to be faster because SSD is faster. Absolutely does not mean it is required.
For the best performance, store your QuickBooks data file on a solid-state drive (SSD).
Also repeating what I said QuickBooks is likely overkill and there are alternatives. You can google the following
"QuickBooks Desktop" single user alternative
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Joan M wrote: As soon as we have children the server, NAS, UPS..
Yeah that probably isn't a good design idea.
With children you need an entire room with a bolt lock at the top of the door. Where you can reach and they cannot (even on a chair.)
That should work until they get big enough to understand and respect 'no'.
Even better if you make sure that there is never anything fun in that room. Then even when they get older they will stay out.
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"Tablets were replaced by scrolls . Scrolls were replaced by Books . Now we scroll through through books on tablets ."
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Oh crap. - That's right.
Stupid us all. 
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Background: I've had this old HP LaserJet for years and try to give it a little occasional exercise to stop it seizing up. So yesterday, had a bit of B/W printing to do so though I'd take her for a spin ...
Printer has vanished from the list. OK, probably to do with the Win 11 upgrade. So I use the Windows Add Printer dialogue and it installs. Yay, this is easy.
I try printing to it. Quick as a flash, nothing happens. Document is in the print queue with the helpful message "There was an error." But it does let me cancel it and try again, with similar results.
Okay, I'll uninstall it and try again. After what seemed like successful removal, it's still there.
So, I run the troubleshooter which, surprise surprise, says that maybe making it the default printer will work. It doesn't. But we have now moved on - it can no longer use this as the excuse. This time it gives me a link to a HP page to download the correct driver. The link is to a page that doesn't exits.
Okay, now the gloves are off. HP Print & Scan Doctor which of course won't run until I update it. But then - KAPOW! It tells me that the standard Windows drivers might be inadequate and I should install the full set of drivers "Downloadable here." This link works, the file downloads but crashes out every time I try to run it.
I find another link to download all the drivers singly. I try it and this time it tells me not to use these but to use the Windows version that I started with.
At this point, I accept defeat and use the other printer. But now is where it gets interesting ...
I return home at about midnight and wake up the PC. Before I do anything else, there's a flashing of lights and a whirring sound and a single page pops out of the LaserJet. This was a document sent to the printer in May 2021!
It now becomes clear to me that the name "LaserJet" is in fact derived from "Lazarus" and I appear to have gained the ability to raise the dead.
Printer now seems to work perfectly.
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Quote: Printer now seems to work perfectly.
Except the current document printout will be available in 2025.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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"LaserJet, come forth". 
At least you have yours working. That's good.
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ok, that's funny. Come over and clean my laptop screen!
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Rich Leyshon wrote: I appear to have gained the ability to raise the dead.
I would recommend that you stay away from cemeteries. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Rich Leyshon wrote: I've had this old HP LaserJet for years and try to give it a little occasional exercise to stop it seizing up.
I've been wondering about that.
When my previous employer shut down (as part of an acquisition), nobody wanted the big LaserJet printer it had owned for many years - I don't know how long exactly. I think the company was roughly 6 years old at the time, so assuming it was bought brand new when the company was founded, it was 6 years old when I brought it home.
That was in 2006. Which means it's now 23 years old.
I clearly remember using it with XP--in fact I still have the driver installer for XP in my software archive. I'm still using it today with Windows 10, and a lot of Linux distros pick it up automatically. These days if I power it up twice every 3 months, it had a busy quarter - I really hardly ever print. But, I'll still say it has served me well, with no indication after all this time it's about to run into mechanical failures (fingers crossed).
It's a LaserJet 4350, with - I think - all accessories you could get for it at the time. There's two 500-sheet trays, a duplexer, I believe is what it's called (which lets you print on both sides of a sheet), and even a stapler (assuming you're not trying to staple more than 5-6 pages together). It's big and heavy, so I think that's why nobody wanted it.
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dandy72 wrote: It's big and heavy, so I think that's why nobody wanted it.
It's probably also an electricity guzzler, at least compared to modern laser printers.
OTOH, if you turn it on only a couple of times a quarter - who cares?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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