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please share with us what you finally get ...
diligent hands rule....
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I will. It might be awhile. I like to start looking and doing research well ahead of when I buy so I'm all caught up on the latest stuff when I'm ready. I'm also not in a huge hurry, since I don't have a pressing need for it. It would just be nice.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I've been an Asus Zenbook fan for years. The oldest one I still have went on countless boats, cranes and excavators, accompanied an 11 years old to school for 6 months (that was rough!) and is still kicking. Now it's enjoying its retirement talking only occasionally to a 3D printer and doing light duties around the house.
The latest one is still a respectable 3 years old but still very snappy and stylish. Love it to bits (and bytes).
Mircea
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Yeah, I'd consider ASUS if build quality was all I was looking for. My biggest stumbling block is trackpads. I can't bear them and would much prefer a laptop that didn't have one that I'd just disable anyway.
Anyway, I'll take a look at them.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
modified 2 days ago.
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I can’t stand trackpads either. My wife likes them but she seldom uses her laptop. Myself I prefer to use a trackball. I use the Logitech MX Ergo.
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Thanks for making me look at ASUS again.
Asus ProArt Studio Book[^]
OLED 16" - Nice!
12th gen core i7 mobile
Onboard graphics that don't totally suck.
Shame about the trackpad, but that's the only thing I don't like so far, and expect I'm probably going to wind up having to settle for disabling it on whatever i end up getting.
Thanks again!
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Shame about the trackpad,
Sometimes one has to go with the times. Many moons ago I had laptops that had a trackball instead of a trackpad. I used to love them: accurate, small no accidental movement. I might have been the only one or they were not economical to build because they disappeared and I had to learn to live with the trackpads. Well, times, they are 'achanging.
honey the codewitch wrote: Thanks for making me look at ASUS again
One is glad to be of service 
Mircea
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Back before Microsoft made it easy to disable the trackpad via settings, I would tape a piece of thin cardboard over the trackpad.
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https://psrefstuff.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/i_pdf/ThinkPad.pdf
u can download the spec sheet , if you are looking for a high end workstation you can go for P series , on the move x series or t series...... they are still the goat or beef... then there is the dell precision
hp you need to really compare with the rest....
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I had a precision. Didn't love it. My only issue with spending this kind of money on a Lenovo is I don't know what I'm getting. For example, I've bought ASUS products for years. I've had one bad product - a poorly designed netbook from them, but their build quality (even on that device) has always been at least respectable.
Lenovo is kind of an unknown quantity for me, and the spec sheet won't tell me if they use good (japanese maybe) capacitors in their boards for example. Not that I'm looking for that kind of detail. More I'm looking for people's organic experiences with them. Did they hold up? Did the hinges wear out? Was their anything about them you hated? That sort of thing. Spec sheets are kind of short on that information.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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well they don't charge money simply ... u get what you pay for ...also they have a three year warranty etc for dell i think you may have to check ..in case of issues there is solutions... you can check youtube they have reviews and teardowns and how to upgrade etc....... asus you can go for the gaming rouge series or so which may match the menioned.................. hinges etc dont wear out if you dont close and open etc..too much... mobileworkstation are u just put it on the desk connect to monitors and forget it......
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I currently have 2 Lenovo Legion Laptops. I love them. I am slowly replacing everything HP I had with Lenovo. Granted I don't get the low end machines though. Both of my laptops are the Legions. They seem to hold up as good as any dell. The only gripe I had is that I had to get a new power cord (my fault) for one of them, and it was difficult to get it ordered correctly without talking to a salesperson from Lenovo website.
You can always ask at MicroCenter. They have a customer service chat and they are generally pretty honest.
( https://www.microcenter.com )
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Hmmm. everywhere I need to go with something like a laptop there's a TV to plug into, and this is primarily for taking to my sister's place. Being able to game a little wouldn't hurt.
I'll definitely consider it. Thanks. Very outside the box solution to my overarching problem. I like it. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Yes, but then I wouldn't have my wonderful Das5QS. The only thing that isn't perfect about it is the lack of a pointing nub. I'll never go back to a membrane keyboard.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Honestly Hun, They're all Chinese junk. Take your pick.
Except HP they suck even more.
We prefer Asus or Acer. They seem to care at least a little.
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Yeah ASUS has done pretty well by me. I'd consider their laptops if all I was looking at was build quality, but their lineup didn't impress me when I looked before, although someone here just had me look again and they've got some "Pro Art" laptops for creators - like graphic designers and CAD users, with a big OLED screen and nasty processor, plus a half respectable video card for a laptop.
Kinda pricey for the specs, but that's probably because of the screen. It's on my short list though.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I was speaking compared to ASUS' other notebooks. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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my experience on HP laptops is not great. currently I am using one...
diligent hands rule....
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ThinkPad T series and E series are very good - first hand experience...
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg
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Thanks!
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I appear to be in a small minority here, but I've had good experience with the HP laptops. Over the last 15 years I have bought 6 laptops for various family members. 5 are still working away to this day. (The oldest was junked because its screen broke in a fall)
They are not bleeding-edge technology, but they work for us.
As for Lenovo, we have had two of them. I don't like the amount of spyware and bloatware that they come with. They also make it difficult to remove - after installing a clean system, using their "driver installation" app will also reinstallmuch of the spyware.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I have had similar experience. Have an HP touch screen 17" laptop (2 years old) and HP desktop (3 years old). Both solid and not overloaded with bloatware. I use them everyday. My Lenova was retired because I could not upgrade OS and hard drive was weak. I do have a beef with HP is printer systems. But that's another story.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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