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Remember that version of Visual Studio they released that had the menu's in all caps?
FILE EDIT VIEW PROJECT
WHY?!?!? WHY????! ...it was so painful. It's like they don't understand their target audience is OCD about stuff like that.
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OriginalGriff wrote: been eight fourteen years since Win 10 7, [insert:] and it never got any better,
FTFY
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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I think it reflects that they have "too many employees".
(I remember back when thinking it was time to move on when I was being sent to ask users "how things were going" when I was in a department where there was little or no actual development.)
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I think it comes down to the quality of employees. Anytime I see feedback on their support forums it starts with "hi, I am a 3rd party mvp, and I am here to help. We are very sorry you are having issues, blah blah blah."
I think it's a failed auto response. Completely useless.
Hi, Outlook won't let me "...." whatever.
Answer: have you tried to reboot? Have you updated your drivers? (as if drivers would have ANY impact on outlook).
Hell, I guess it boots and mostly works.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: I think it reflects that they have "too many employees".
Too many cooks spoil the broth...
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G'day Folks,
There are too many fingers to pull out, so this will end up as an impossible task as always for Microsoft to handle.
The whole idea from Microsoft is to keep up the confusion and ploy that make you believe that they have or will bring out a new OS is as old as Timbuctoo whereas all we are getting is a different folder configuration and a new paint job with different graphics on the desktop.
Where now Microsoft has slowly stopped support for anything older than 8.1 which is also destined for the OS dump pile, they are successfully herding everyone to Windows 11 and ensuring that Users are forced to purchase newer Hardware that is capable of handling the newer Win 11 and the next, what maybe win 12 OS yet another different folder configuration and a new paint job with different graphics on the desktop.
Money, Money, Money is what makes the world go round and keeps Microsoft chasing to make profits in the Trillion of Dollars because due to world monetary inflation a million is now petty cash and besides Microsoft needs the extra to pay dividends to shareholders and pay another $500 million bonus to the CEO and another senior executives - Money, Money, Money is what makes the world go round and there is so much that the big boys can buy the whole world 10 times over and they have forgotten that once purchased there is nothing to buy with the other 9 times.
Just a closing note: Been there, Done that since DOS and MS-DOS yet we are still on IBM clones. Think about it ☺.
Have fun computing and keep covid19 safe.
Regards
Roger Hass / PC-Bug Fixer now in Tanilba Bay NSW 2319 Australia
Regards
Roger Hass / PC-Bug Fixer now in Tanilba Bay NSW 2319 Australia
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That, and MS no longer cares what people who "know what they are doing" think.
By catering only to the sheeple, and getting the sheeple to follow the train and do as they are told, they can quite simply say when someone does something different... it's your fault you broke it, now go away.
By reducing their "support costs" to this kind of level they save a stupid amount of money all of which is funnelled towards profit.
If you know what your doing, and try to get assistance with it, they don't want to know you (Unless you have a corporate support agreement where your paying them) because your costing them money to deal with you, money that's taken away from the profit margin.
By reducing things to their simplest concepts, getting folks to follow what they are told, and hiding away (or at the very least making anything that allows the sheeple to load a foot-gun) they don't have this cost anymore.
Why do you think everything is done on-line these days too. There used to be a time where companies advertised an address, an email and a telephone line... look at the footers in most now... the footers in majority of sites, list ONLY what is needed for things like legal compliance (Such as HQ addresses for tax reasons), and it's not just MS to be fair, I've just had my run of fun trying to get my password changed on Facebook, my wife a couple of months ago got a new phone and swapping her google account over to it from the old one was stupidly painful, and more complex than it needed to be.
So yes, bottom line definitely all about money, but also about trying to remove that element that continues to cause money to be used up too.
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I have learned the same with this as I have learned with partners, or employers, or other individuals who are under the delusion they have some magical "better than you" decisive judgement.
Their head is in a dark place, and they have no intention of taking it out.
You warn them once.
You warn them twice.
And at some point after, you don't warn them anymore.
If you're good enough to get the subtlety of what I am saying, you can also "predict" what I did after I purchased a new computer 2 years back.
BTW I don't mind tabs. But I don't care enough either.
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As long as everyone puts up with shoddy products and indifferent customer service from MS or anyone else it will persist. Grumbling won't change a thing.
Alternatives are available, so
vote with your feet. It's the only thing big business understands.
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Actually, Microsoft really would like to fix these issues. They have a serious problem though, some of it is poly driven some is the reality of the situation they are in. They can't change things too radically as that will potentially break millions of business apps. I know, an icon or its location should be 'no big deal', but as soon as you do, Ford motor company calls up, and the Visual Basic app we have been using forever no longer works. So any visual or organizational change potentially costs Microsoft money, which is considered a cost that reduces your profit numbers. I know silly right? So the bar for changing anything is very high. Interestingly, the bar for 'adding new features' is shallow. In fact, their quarterly review process encourages new features to be added. Want a promotion, pay raise then create new features. Oh and make sure to patent anything you think of.
Is it fixable? In theory yes, but it would have to be driven from the top by the CEO. When Bill ran the company he would allow internal competition every so often. A group would be created to be a competitor to an internal product, eventually, one of the groups would be shut down and the technology that worked best would become the new product line. This approach has worked in the past and resulted in the creation of NT, Windows 2000, XP, and so on.
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You don't use the tabs and you don't like the icons?
Madness. :P
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Nearly all the time, if you have two folders open, it's because you want to compare contents, or copy / move files. Tabs just get in the way of that - and the MS trend towards monochrome, "square" icons make sit harder to work out which icon does what. 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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OriginalGriff wrote: Nearly all the time, if you have two folders open, it's because you want to compare contents, or copy / move files
Not me.
I open one where I keep notes. Another to a code directory. Another to a logs directory. Etc.
If I want to compare directories I use a tool.
I do sometimes rarely move a file and so then I will have two open. Although sometimes I just use one.
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I must admit that having tabs on the file manager can be really useful sometimes. Been really handy for me this week, sorry! But agree on the whole Settings/Control Panel thing.
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Be careful what you wish for, Microsoft might just pull a fast one and remove the Control Panel altogether... 
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New device for mental masturbation. A 12 key programmable keyboard, 4x3. Fun creating macro's to send to system. I know, I know, what fun is that?
All great but so far, don't care about the LED's, not fond of color shows. Has a small OLED screen and an encoder that makes for a possible gazillion macro's. Well, until you run out of RAM. Program in Arduino or python, QMK coming.
Stress reliever. Have avoided "hello world" so far.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Can you also program different combinations of key presses? Eventually see if you can replace your full-sized keyboard with it... and hide it in your jacket pocket so you can take it with you on the road as you start hacking into Starbucks for free coffee.
Just a thought... 
Jeremy Falcon
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Not sure about that, haven't been to a Starbucks in several years.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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But ... Will it run DOOM?[^] 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Working on it. OLED screen is a little small.
It can spell farm: eieio
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Hi All,
On Friday I posted about the useless bit of Friday. Chose a task that should have been done, so I would treading already well trodden ground. Found a 'mess' up (choose your own profanity!) of Biblical size. Spend the weekend working out how to tell people about it (company issues, I'm in Production, there in R&D, last time I found something like this I got a telling off by R&D for looking into there files). Company politics got to love it!
Glenn
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glennPattonWork3 wrote: last time I found something like this I got a telling off by R&D for looking into there files
Instead of thanking you for finding a bug? 
I see what you mean about company politics - sorry to hear that.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: Instead of thanking you for finding a bug?
The more incompetent the developer, the more protective they get - and being shown publicly to have made a mistake so obvious that a production person found it ... doesn't reflect well on them.
Company politics is usually there to protect "high value" incompetents unfortunately.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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It kind of sucks and it's uncomfortable but admitting to mistakes is perhaps one of the most important things I have learnt in my software career - it feels uncomfortable but it's usually a much bigger relief than hiding things.
A lot comes down to the culture of the company and the leaders nurturing an atmosphere where making a mistake and owning up to it is not seen as a problem.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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