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Hi All,
On Friday I posted about the useless bit of Friday. Chose a task that should have been done, so I would treading already well trodden ground. Found a 'mess' up (choose your own profanity!) of Biblical size. Spend the weekend working out how to tell people about it (company issues, I'm in Production, there in R&D, last time I found something like this I got a telling off by R&D for looking into there files). Company politics got to love it!
Glenn
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glennPattonWork3 wrote: last time I found something like this I got a telling off by R&D for looking into there files
Instead of thanking you for finding a bug? 
I see what you mean about company politics - sorry to hear that.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: Instead of thanking you for finding a bug?
The more incompetent the developer, the more protective they get - and being shown publicly to have made a mistake so obvious that a production person found it ... doesn't reflect well on them.
Company politics is usually there to protect "high value" incompetents unfortunately.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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It kind of sucks and it's uncomfortable but admitting to mistakes is perhaps one of the most important things I have learnt in my software career - it feels uncomfortable but it's usually a much bigger relief than hiding things.
A lot comes down to the culture of the company and the leaders nurturing an atmosphere where making a mistake and owning up to it is not seen as a problem.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Some years ago i was responsible for writing the user interface to one of our systems. As a design document I was given the user manual, so I had to guess a lot. When I suggested to the team in the US (responsible for the underlying system) that the document wasn't clear on a few items, I was given very short shrift.
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"No one reads the manuals", they told me. 
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Isn't the very definition of politics to protect the incompetent from the consequences of their actions?
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Not that I saw that one coming or anything...
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Nervertheless it's no fun to be in that position.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Oh dear, I forgot I had the foresight to post that. Friday afternoons should be spent on CP's lounge and not doing anything 'useful'.
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Now you're getting it! 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Tell your supervisor and let him/her do the telling.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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This one. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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glennPattonWork3 wrote: I'm in Production, there in R&D, last time I found something like this I got a telling off by R&D for looking into there files
Term problem there?
R&D should not be something that goes directly into production. Should be R&D => Development => (QA) => Production.
And in that scenario there is no reason for Prod to be looking at R&D code bases.
I would also expect that R&D code to be less than ideal anyways. For example I would not expect proper error handling (and perhaps even no error handling), layouts that were less than ideal, layouts that do not fit into production layouts, potential integration problems, etc.
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Ahh, yes, but it's a case 'it works', 'ship it', there is no QA dept, the best one I heard in a meeting with the senior management 'Yes it ready to ship, build & release, but Glenn keeps finding faults', so my boss came back with 'So, it's not ready then.' and that person looked like a mug . Prod tests the stuff to make sure it works (?, Q&A, never mind!) before it's shipped.
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Ok, so what happened with your original post? Did you raise the red flag?
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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Raised the flag to one of the more approachable R&D guys, turns out the current version hadn't been updated fully (?). So I checked it a half-hour later and guess what!
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issue is still there?
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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So I expect that it is not really R&D even though they call it that.
To be fair then it isn't really just "politics" but rather that there is no process at all.
I am presuming there are no or little written requirements, no project planning, no task planning and perhaps little or no disaster planning either.
So realistically even the code problem you found is not significant in comparison to that.
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Well thing that bothers me, it wasn't a software fault. It was hardware board sent out for quote...
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lol...
Well ok so maybe a bit more immediately expensive than a missing requirement.
But at least it isn't coming out of your paycheck??? Or bonus???
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Easy one for Monday
Wind ripped a function (7)
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Topical too ...
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function DO TORNADO
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Yep, I just tested negative for Covid!
I am free to leave the house ... but I don't want to go anywhere, particularly.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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"I got a strong urge to fly..."
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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