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"Earlier rather than later" certainly, but definitely not "first".
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A class in "software security" would help ... based on the evidence.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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I read the article this morning and I completely agree with you.
Knowing some CS can give you an edge, but is in no way required.
When my customer calls that their application, written in the 90's, isn't behaving as expected, don't expect to find nice design patterns, data structures or algorithms.
Most of those are already implemented in modern environments anyway.
Also, (premature) optimization, one of the main points of this author, is considered bad practice, I'd rather have fast code that's readable than super fast code (we're talking milliseconds difference here) that's cryptic.
Of course this depends on the context and goal of the application.
"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not." - Albert Einstein
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5teveH wrote: And one thing I know for sure... is that a Computer Science degree, (or in fact any degree), is not what counts! More often than not, what I've found makes a good developer is
Then hire one of those instead of someone like me who learnedt the trade.
Yada-yada list, don't care.
5teveH wrote: Did any of The Beatles have a degree?
Do you want the Beatles algorithm when saving your password? Or would you prefer a degree?
When in a hospital, I'm always glad to see non VB6 software. I think I should be equally gratefull for not having Beatles-software there either 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Do you want the Beatles algorithm when saving your password? Or would you prefer a degree?
My point was: there are many talented people out there who don't have a degree. Sadly, there are also many people with a degree, who mistakenly believe they have ability and talent - and who think they are 'better' than those didn't go through higher education.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: When in a hospital, I'm always glad to see non VB6 software.
All I'm hoping to see, is someone who is great at doing their job. The certificates they have up on the wall won't cure me!
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5teveH wrote: All I'm hoping to see, is someone who is great at doing their job. The certificates they have up on the wall won't cure me!
No, they just guarantee that you're not in the office of a shaman healer. It's not the degree, but the education or experience that counts. The degree should be proof of that education or experience.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Drool
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Bug soup - nothing more.
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Stop bugging me! 
You , insufferable boor!
Maybe one day I should try Tarantula soup! 
modified 2-Jun-21 8:15am.
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And....
Drumroll......
...I got the job! 
I am now an EA Game employee, in the Frostbite team!
To celebrate I am going to cook some "bisque de homard" (tomato, cream, wine and lobster french soup )
BTW, while making a code sample for my job application, I used some async enumerable on observable event, and while that might sounds complicated it was, in fact, the sweetest, easiest to read event handling code ever written in the long history of the whole universe! 
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congratulations. i have... feelings about EA but game development is cool regardless. 
Real programmers use butterflies
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Yea, I know, micro transactions, right?
But game dev is always great!
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EA is in the business to make money. You don't want to work for a company that does not want to make money.
Some people on this site have an aversion to money and corporate wealth.
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Or they just have an aversion to *how* some people do business.
Real programmers use butterflies
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EA's gained a reputation for a lot more than just being in business to "make money". There's plenty of horror stories where EA's name is used prominently. I understand crunch time, but it should never be the norm.
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Slacker007 wrote: EA is in the business to make money.
And that's the problem. We want them to be in the business of making games!
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Great! I really hope you enjoy it!
EA aren't my favourite games company - too many microtransactions needed to play the game you thought you paid for (but only rented a bit of) - but you should be working on some cutting edge stuff! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Their tech is awesome... Their business practice.. well, above my pay grade! ^_^
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Congrats! 🍾🥂
Also, it's been nice knowing you, but unfortunately you won't have time to hang around here anymore as you'll be making 16-hour work days, seven days a week, for months to come
Just kidding (I hope  ), enjoy the opportunity!
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Haha.. I forgot to ask about that....
The good news is, the American teams finish their when we start ours, so we can hassle them while they want to go home, but nobody hassle us at the end of our day!
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the long hours are usually attributed to getting a game out on schedule and usually happen toward the end of the release schedule - bug fixes, etc. your normal working hours will not be 16 hours a day.
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