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Thank you for directing me to 7-Zip. It supports a "@listfile" argument which no doubt is a batch file. Precisely what I need. I still require the ability to see the archive contents and the heirarchy therein and the ability to move things around within the archive via cut copy paste etc. just as one can in Windows Explorer. To my surprise 7-Zip does not seem to provide this even though it duplicates much of this functionality for source files on permanent storage. The archive itself remains hidden from view. So I guess I'm stuck w/ WinZip. The horror.
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@ListFile is a file that contains a list of all the files to backup, useful when they are scattered about a bit
usual gotcha with 7zip is do NOT use -r unless you really understand it. It isn't recurse sub directories but forces 7zip to search the disk for matching file names not as intuitive as it could be
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If you right click on a *.7zip file, then you get a 7-zip context menu. In that sub-menu there is an option to "Open Archive". You can also open that archiving program directly from c:\Program Files\7-zip\7zFM.exe (FM = file manager).
Once you have the archive open, you can do what you want with the files within.
Hope that helps,
Bond
Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere
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Thank You for directing me to 7-Zip. Unfortunately upon test I found its GUI more clunky than WinZip's. Virtually unusable if attempting to view and manipulate archive contents. It seems I am stuck w/ WinZip. Perhaps this is why I purchased it.
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I, too, use 7-Zip. And am proud to say I’m one of the handful of people who paid (donated) for WinRAR. I had WinZip many years ago.
Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events.
- Manly P. Hall
Mark
Just another cog in the wheel
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The only reason I've ever needed to use WinZip is when I had the need to create a self-extracting archive. I don't believe 7zip does that. Other than that, one use case, I really prefer 7zip.
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Yeah, I've been using 7zip for so long I pretty much forgot that WinZip even existed.
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Last I checked, maximum rar compression was still better in many cases. Has that changed in the past few years?
-= Reelix =-
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I wasn't even aware WinZip had been acquired by Corel - and according to the Wikipedia article, that happened in 2006.
That seals the deal (even though that wasn't likely to ever happen) - I will never purchase it.
And I say that as a former employee of theirs.
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7-Zip forever.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I switched to 7-Zip years ago for this very reason.
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Back in the early nineties I bought a WinZip perpetual, lifetime, free upgrades, all-you-can-eat licence. A few years later when I went to install an upgrade they did the same to me. I sent a copy of my licence to tech support and requested they honour the commitment I paid for, and got a reply in the vein of 'that was then and this is now' and 'that was them and this is us' reply from whoever had just bought it. They finished the email with the statement "We never said it would be free forever" which was precisely what they had promised.
I got a good buddy in the corporate legal department (I had risen through the ranks of coder to MD of their Middle East subsidiary) to write a very-nasty-gram to the new owners stating that as they had bought the original owner of the product and not liquidated them and purchased the assets they were legally bound to accept all outstanding liabilities. Never got a reply I and I have used WinRAR ever since.
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Chris C-B wrote: Back in the early nineties I bought a WinZip perpetual, lifetime, free upgrades, all-you-can-eat licence
Ditto. In the 90's, WinZip had the best interface -- far better than PKWare's meager offering. I purchased the perpetual license and was very happy.
The original developer sold it, and it turned NagZip. I've tried numerous Zip tools over the years, and WinZip -- as much as it irritates me -- has the best interface, especially with large archives.
When I update a license, I let the software check for upgrades monthly. When a new version comes out and they want $$$, I turn off checks, as they no longer update the previous version. Every 4 or 5 years they'll offer a great "upgrade" price and I'll snag a new version. I think I'm on v22 now, and current version is v27. At some point they'll offer me an upgrade price of $10, and I'll probably do it. If that never happens? v22 works fine ...
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Have you ever checked out WinRar?
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I was not aware of WinRAR. Downloaded today and will investigate. Thank You. I have doubts though as I prefer a GUI into the archive which offers the same functionality of Explorer which WinZip almost does. 7-Zip does not and I have doubts re/ same of WinRAR but we'll see. One of my future fantasy projects is write a Zipper of my preference. I can't decide on a name though. Maybe EZZip, or SimpleZip or ZimpleZip or ZipeedeedoodaZip and give it away for a mere cup of coffee of course w/ forever free updates/upgrades and responsive bug fixes feature requests and put WinZip out of business. 
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Thank You for informing me of WinRAR. I just now investigated and was surprised at its poor GUI unless of course I am utilizing it incorrectly. I.e. to wit upon Add'ing a file to archive WinRAR assumes a name of the archive as same as that added. That is OK as it permits setting the name and location of the archive but it does so for each file added even though I wish to add to the same archive. The result is for each added file it is necessary to Browse to the archive location. This is absurd. How the heck do you utilize WinRAR upon adding a number of files. Do you browse to the archive for each one. I await your Kind and Helpful reply. -Best
PS I am stunned that software of version 6 has such a poor GUI unless of course I am doing something incorrectly.
Unfortunately WinZip will have to be my preferred Zipper until at least I write Zipeedeedoodah.Zip
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Weird. WinRar has fairly decent Windows drag and drop integration. I don't think I understand how you're trying to use it. The nice thing about WinRar is that they have a command line interface so you can do batch files if you like as well.
Secondarily, the latest DotNet releases have built in zip functionality so you could automate something using that rather quickly if you like.
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Are people still using zip files ? In what kind of use case ?
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> Are people still using zip files ? In what kind of use case ?
- to bundle multiple files into one, preserving directory structure.
- to have a checksum when sending multiple files.
- to have a (maybe not so strong) password on that attachment.
- compression sec might not be the primary advantage anymore.
Furthermore note that .zip is used as container format for some applications. Best known is the open office ODT / ODS formats. If you rename (a copy of) a xyz.odt document to an xyz.zip you can peek inside and even manipulate the data.
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The new MS-Office format is also a zip file in disguise.
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I've been creating some NuGet packages, which are essentially zip files. After creating a NuGet package, I usually unzip (using 7-zip, as I don't have to change the extension first) to verify the file contents.
Similar for Office docs if I am doing anything programattic with them.
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My use case most of the time is to send Visual Studio solutions/projects I never know which to call it to support for repro.
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I haven't used WinZip/7Zip in years. You guys do know that basic zipping/unzipping is built right into Windows Explorer, right?
Truth,
James
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It is built in to Windows Explorer, but their implementation is clunky, and not suitable for everything I want to do with an unzipping tool. For example, with 7-Zip you can examine the contents of a single file without unzipping the entire archive. The 7-Zip compression format is more efficient (in terms of space, not CPU) than Zip, so you can pack more into an archive. Windows' implementation gives you only one zip format. Being that 7-Zip is free, there's no reason to not use it unless you feel it's just too complicated.
Best,
--Geoff
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