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It's efficient for *some* things.
I used to use it in ISAPI application because they're basically glorified string manipulation engines. String based heap frag is a bear in an environment like that, so I used Boehm Collector to garbage collect my strings and containers. My apps were fast, and stayed fast under load. That was well before ASP.NET.
It's not efficient for general use, compared to C++/RAII without the STL, which is how I recommend coding in IoT with C++.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
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Yikes... ISAPI!! still gives me nightmares that does, as does COM, COM+ and DCOM.
.NET Nano is fairly new, nothing to do with MS either (even though they heavily sponsor it etc) it's based very much on the newer core modern .NET stack, and it's Jose Simone and his team that are behind it (Used to be part of that Meadow IoT platform I think)
Not trying to persuade you otherwise here by the way  I've long been a supporter of C/C++ on restrained devices like that, started years ago before the IoT craze as it is now with the likes of the PICMicro.
I just find it quite interesting that C#, a language I quite often get asked to do large enterprise LOB apps in, can run on something like the ESP32, and am frequently surprised by just how well it performs.
I compared it to running modern .NET full/core on an rPI and Nano on an ESP32 kicked it's backside!
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FYI, I agree on the issues with opaque file formats. They are generally impossible to use with any kind of change control system and hard to use with version control. We lose the ability to do bulk find/replace or just find references across files/objects. We lose the ability to do intelligent risk management and working at scale becomes exceedingly difficult. (How do you merge changes when two developers both change the same definition?)
People correctly assume these systems make beginning programming/developing easier to learn, but often don't understand how they're making large scale, complex programming harder (ever tried to debug 100 pages of ladder logic?)
Note that even declarative programming output as text has its limits. Data is often stored in (unsorted) dictionaries (hash tables) then persisted to a file in an (effectively) random order, this makes identifying significant changes much harder to find (it's particularly bad when some values are recomputed each time, and thus create thousands of lines of meaningless changes wrapping around real changes and making them hard to find).
JSON is often the format of choice for this type of data. I like JSON; however, it has its limits as a programming language. While generally lighter weight than XML it can still be hard to follow for large files and lacks comments (although JSONC and most JSON parsers now support comments, when enabled). Where JSON falls down is in the need to quote everything. That's where I've started to prefer YAML, which I find easier to read and write, mostly because of the reduced quoting requirements and simplified syntax. That's especially true for embedded scripting which can be done in YAML just by indenting (as opposed to JSON which requires each line of script be quoted and special characters have to be escaped). [I particularly became a YAML fan once I realized it's a superset of JSON, so I can take my existing JSON data structures, drop them into a YAML file and it just works, and I don't have to maintain both a JSON and YAML parser).
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Hi All,
There was a Win 11 update which took an age on my home set up. It appears to have broken the old version of office I had (XP), I know it's out of date, I know really I do, But I didn't have a need to update or change it.
My Mum (bless her!) could use it. I did try to update to 2007, but found it a show stopper and my Mum was left clueless. So I am now forced to update to Office 365 to type a letter. Other PC's such as the Win 10 box I have are not affected but not plugged into the Laser Printer. A two minute job becomes a Saga...
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In other news, dog bites man.
What do you expect from a company that has fired all of its bug finders?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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They don't need to hire bug finders, they have their customers to do all that. Oh, and they don't have bugs since they adopted that wonderful TDD methodology. 
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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glennPattonWork3 wrote: old version of office I had (XP)
glennPattonWork3 wrote: I did try to update to 2007
It's 2023.
You might want to trade in the horse and buggy for a new shiny car.
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Why fix what works? (or now doesn't)
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Truth. Tell me one thing (other than making more $$ for Microsoft) that Office 365 brings to writing a letter as compared to 2007? I'd wager 90% or more of "Office" is never used by the masses.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Yep, I had the same problem. A Bonus Windows Activation required too.
A manual reboot with a BSOD SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED on shutdown, then same error after a restart + login. The 3rd reboot fixed the activation issue and all 2016 office apps now work. Good one M$! F$%K ME!
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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I had a similar issue with my wife's new Win 11 system. I solved it by buying Office 2021 Pro from United Kingdom – Shop Win & Office english[^]. And in case you ask, yes it is a valid distribution and was activated via Microsoft's licencing system.
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I don't know if it's significant but the online activation did not work for me, so I had to use the telephone system. Which is a bit convoluted but still worked.
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Seem to be having that issue now...
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I solved it by buying Office 2021 Pro
I almost did the same until my PC did a triple BSOD and apparently self-repaired the issue. I go into more detail with my previous post.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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The last Win11 update took about 5 minutes for me and hasn't broken anything. I don't use MS Office though. I use LibreOffice.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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There's always one
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Same here, I abandoned using office years ago and use LibreOffice instead ( A really long ago when it was still OpenOffice ). It has not failed me yet so I will stick to it.
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I use Google Office when I can but I find that the raw power is not there and Google Sheets tends to choke and bog down on anything that has more than a handful of formulas and data. Based on that experience, I'm not keen to go M$ 365 online. Nothing beats a locally installed app.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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I too prefer local over web, which put me off 365, I know these days it's seen as old fashioned but gimme a local copy preferably from a CD (or DVD). If it's local the web is not needed so speed is constant!
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When I bought my Windows Me desktop I ordered Office Pro
so I could get the database Access to use with VB 6 I was a nube and uninformed
This included a copy of Word 2003 on a CD
So when I moved up to Windows 7 64 bit MS would not accept my registered
copy of Word 2003 and blocked the registration
After long e-mail arguments and law suite threat and e-mailing Bill Gates
they gave in and accepted my registration key
Not a fan of renting software or on line versions
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This is why I use Libre Office. Does everything that MS Office does, but without the forced upgrading nonsense. I suppose if you were using MS Office for some really advanced professional integrations/coding project, then Libre Office can't compete, but really, who does that for day-to-day personal use?
Bond
Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere
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- If your mom can't use Office 2007, she's not going to be able to use Office 365 either.
- You don't have to buy Office 365 with the recurring subscription, you can use Office for free on the web. All you need is a browser and an Internet connection.
- Like others said, there's also Libre Office.
Cheers,
Vikram.
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As a quick answer, Yes and No!
Their are tons of articles on it's worth, it's unworthiness etc. etc. There is a Q&A from this morning that turned out quite interesting IMO - How to take specific element from the first list , second list and those specific element add into third list[C#][^]
Richard MacCutchan and Graeme_Grant posted respective solutions, both of them works as a solution. Graeme did an excercise in using ChatGPT (as he mentioned in his post, just for fun and interest sake) and it actually returned a correct answer, for a change!
I then did a fun check by asking CHATGPT to check both blocks of code and show which block is -
1) The fastest generated output
2) Using the least performance
3) Is the most efficient
The returned answer were that it's own generated code were the worst performer. Richard's code were Block2 and Graeme's ChatGPT code were Block1 -
Quote: Block 2 will run faster and use less performance compared to Block 1.
In Block 1, you are using a List<string> to combine the elements from two lists (a1 and a2) into a single list (combinedList). The code iterates over the length of the longer list (maxLength) and checks if the current index is within the bounds of each list before adding the element to the combinedList. Finally, it uses string.Join to concatenate the elements in combinedList into a single string.
In Block 2, you are using a StringBuilder (output) to build the combined string directly. The code iterates over the length of a1 and adds each element to the output. It also checks if the current index is within the bounds of a2 and adds its corresponding element. Finally, it prints the output using Console.WriteLine.
Block 2 is more efficient because it eliminates the need for an additional list (combinedList). It directly builds the string using StringBuilder, which is more efficient for concatenating multiple strings compared to repeatedly appending to a List<string>. Additionally, it does not involve the overhead of checking list bounds for every iteration, as it directly uses the lengths of a1 and a2 in the loop condition.
We do from time to time make use of ChatGPT, more as an exercise than a solution and we found, as mentioned in my comment at the psot, that you have to hammer the blue &^%$ out of it to return actual proper code. By hammering I mean that you ask question after question leading it into the expected answer until you can compile, test and run properly the desired returned code. The secret I think lies in the way or form the questions is submitted to ChatGPT, same as the way we Google for things. The better the question, the better the answer (there are many links on how to ask ChatGPT questions/give it instructions).
Problem is that we can see it in the Q&A (not all members mind you) where code is generated by ChatGPT, the user has no idea what the code means or why it does not work and they will post their question "It does not work!", "I'm new to programming", with a zillion lines of code posted, expecting a miracle working solution from other members. 
So, to the question in the title - It is a great tool if you have a general idea of what the code should look like or function as. The time however in hammering it to return what is expected is just not worth the while, I can write the code, have a coffee, eat my lunch and then some in the same time trying to make ChatGPT work for me!. Is ChatGPT worth the effort for a developer? - IMHO, NO!
modified 16-Jul-23 5:36am.
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