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OriginalGriff wrote: riding (and fixing) Japanese motorcycles
Ah! You've just brought back a lot of fond memories. 
My family moved to the country when I was around 12. My Dad started buying cheap non-running dirtbikes, all the same kind...early to mid 70's Yamaha CT/DT 175s. One of the first tools I was introduced to was an impact driver! 
As I punk teenager, I never understood why my Dad wouldn't just spend the money on motorcycles that we didn't have to work on all the time. When I got older and realized that most people had no mechanical abilities it all made since...especially that time I had to do a complete engine swap in a friend's carport. I thanked him many times for that education.
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I think it's also very close to development: debugging code and fixing engines uses the same processes, or at least it does with me.
This is particularly true when you have only a Haynes Book Of Lies as your guide to the bike!
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"Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly."
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honey the codewitch wrote: But between the Chinese industrialists schlepping their low grade raw materials off on us
The raw materials are okay, the technology and the production process suck. One bolt made of Chinesium, takes the same resources and anergy to be made as a real one. It's a waste!
Thats why whenever is possible I buy only US made stuff. From my dishwasher to my bike and car all are US made. Unfortunately, with some goods like your chair you don't have a choice these days. You can buy a really expensive one, but there is no guarantee it will be better. My very expensive chair gave up after a year and the cheap one is still around.
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modified 7-Jun-23 9:04am.
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Torque wrench. Bolt extractors. Canadian Tire when they're 60% off.
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After watching Chinese made stuff result in injury, sickness, and even death my wife and I do everything we can to avoid "made in China".
- Pet food
- Baby food
- Laminate flooring seeping known
- Drywall
These are the ones that come to the top of my head as they made headlines.
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After watching Chinese made stuff result in injury, sickness, and even death my wife and I do everything we can to avoid "made in China".
- Pet food
- Baby food
- Laminate flooring seeping known
- Drywall
These are the ones that come to the top of my head as they made headlines.
Besides, we need to remember Henry Ford's comment that if you don't pay your workers then who'll buy your products. Businesses forget this statement at their long term peril.
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Sometimes it can be hard to source things that aren't made in China.
In fact, my work requires me to use Chinese manufactured items all the time - in this case semiconductors, which can be okay if you get them from one of the more reputable makers.
There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
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Unfortunately all too true.
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obermd wrote: Drywall
Can't be terribly cost-efficient to buy your drywall and have it shipped all the way from China...
Unless, I suppose, it's your local stores that is buying it in huge quantities and it ends up on their shelves.
And then I suppose the same argument can be made about the other items you mentioned. In which case you have to let the store's owner know you're buying elsewhere.
Oh, all the local stores are getting their supplies from China?
Then that's self-inflicted and has been in the works for decades. The mom-and-pop shops that have all disappeared, because they can't compete, did send plenty of warnings...
And now this is getting close to political (too late?), so I'll shut up now. 
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Chinese Drywall: What It Is, Why It’s Bad and How to Avoid It[^]
Quote: A significant portion of drywall used in America is manufactured in China, where manufacturing costs are low and raw materials are plentiful
We import practically everything from China, why not Drywall?
I'm sure people have done the math and it's just too damn expensive to make it anywhere else, including the U.S.
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I do a lot of wood working and use Baltic Birch Plywood 13 cores and you can drive screws into the end grain without splitting the wood. I have broken some wood screws from Home Depot and ruined a $50.00 piece of wood.
So I went over to German technology sourced out of an Ohio company.
FYI Construction Fasteners Supplier & Manufacturer | SPAX U.S.[^]
Where it is made makes a BIG difference
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Let's buy some Saudi oil instead 
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Got my vote!
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I always thought it was interesting that China in general (Shanghai, etc.) is used as a backdrop for a lot of cyberpunk novels and movies.
Must be that amazing high-quality steel they produce.  j/k
modified 7-Jun-23 16:20pm.
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I doubt that the bolt in question was made of steel, even a low grade steel. It was more likely made of zinc.
The bolts you can buy in home depot or lowes are all zinc. None of them are steel. The only brick and mortar place I know of to get steel fasteners is the auto parts store.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I stand corrected. Shows what I know about bolts.
Either way, these are junk. I've had better luck with stuff sourced stateside at places like Ace. I never had problems with the bolts i used to replace the head bolts in my two stroke, but then i also brought in a bolt and told them what it was used for.
There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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Are you sure they are zinc? You have actual evidence? After a career in engineering I've never heard of zinc being used for anything other than an anti-corrosive coating for fasteners. Zinc has very little structural strength which would render it useless for bolts.
When you see "Zinc bolt" advertised, drill down into the detail and you will find they are steel with a zinc coating.
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Maybe you're right. I do know that in Home Depot and Lowes, the labels on the shelves say that the bolts are zinc. Maybe that means steel with a zinc coating.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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You need to stop thinking it's because it's "Chinese Steel". This is MAGA nonsense. All steel worldwide is made in different grades having different physical properties, American steel as well, at different price points of course. Blame the manufacturers of your chair for choosing cheap fixings. Or buy better chairs!
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There's smoke in my iris
But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids
So I'm ready now (What you ready for?)
I'm ready for life in this city
And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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haughtonomous wrote: This is MAGA nonsense.
No politics in the Lounge, please.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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The difficulties are related to understanding why "Buy American!" is non-politics and fully acceptable in the Lounge while "'Buy American! is nonsense" is politics and banned from the Lounge.
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