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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: I don't want ... fancy cases with blinky lights.
Sssshhhh! Instant geek card revoke.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: with 12+gb ram
Do you remember the day when 256 megs of ram was simply awesome?! Moore's law is still going strong!
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Richard Blythe wrote: Do you remember the day when 256 megs of ram was simply awesome?! Moore's law is still going strong!
I have a very old machine, it has 16MB of memory, it has SIMM[^] type and ran 98 
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I remember adding 8 K to my Apple II and thought it was plenty of RAM. After all those cassette tapes only held so much.
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Lloyd Atkinson wrote: I have a very old machine, it has 16MB of memory, it has SIMM[^] type and ran 98 Big Grin
I've still got a fully functioning ZX81 with an awesome one whole kilobyte of ram running at an unbelievably fast 3.25 MHz. Those were the days; thats what you call REAL computing power, not like these 3GHz+, 16+Gbyte ram pussies that you get these days. 
There is only one satisfying way to boot a computer.
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First machine I actually remember "working" on its internals with my dad was an XT. The awesome part was when we installed a hard disk for the first time.
Now when I wanted to play my games get to work, I didn't have to do that pesky 5.25" floppy swap thingy at the beginning 
I remember from MS-DOS 2.0 till 6.
I remember another machine, a 387 (386 with math co-processor) that ran on 16 MHz and when I clicked the Turbo button, it went up to a wopping 25 MHz! (not that you could feel any change in ability mind you)
I remember
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: remember another machine, a 387 (386 with math co-processor) that ran on 16 MHz and when I clicked the Turbo button, it went up to a wopping 25 MHz! (not that you could feel any change in ability mind you)
The 387 was an external FPU co-processor. The CPU was still a 386.
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I had the same machine.At the time ( '93 ) i was at high school and it was one the most powerful machine we could get hands on!
Behzad
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I remember when you could take a 386DX40 and swap out the CPU and FPU for a 486DLC2/80 and "487"DLC2/80, which was actually just a clock doubled 387 with a name change. Coupled with 128 KB of 15ns level 2 cache it would beat the pants off any 486DX2/66.
or..before that.. swapping out an original 8088 for an NEC V20 or an 8086 for an NEC V30 Chip...
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That was luxury!
The first business desktop I remember had a Z80 processor, 48Kb (Yes I did mean kilobytes), ran CP/M and was a serious word processing system (Wordstar) and had 1 or 2 400Kb floppies.
Things have come a heck of a long way in 30 years and the majority of people are still not happy with the performance on their desktop
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Mine came in a WOOD case - none of this metal stuff.
One floppy for the OS, compiler, editor, the other for the application code.
Gary
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His Billness is reputed to have stated that 640KB of RAM is more than anyone should ever need.
At the time he said it, I had 512KB and couldn't afford an upgrade. Like Mustafa I had to do the swapping 5.25inch floppies thing to get anything done, until, that is, I installed a Hercules 10MB 'HardCard'.
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Henry Minute wrote: His Billness is reputed to have stated that 640KB of RAM is more than anyone should ever need.
I find that to a certain extent, MS has done a wonderful job in supporting the hardware industry, from a sales point of view. People forgot just what X Billion instructions per second mean, what a RAM space in the GB is worth.
Vista was a prime example. 7 being, IMO, infinitely better, is still quite resource hungry. Why? For the "Ooh shiny!" factor? Well, yes, but GNOME and KDE are doing some pretty nifty things with no where near the kind of resource consumption that Windows needs.
Ditto on the server front, I can, and am, running some pretty decent servers on slices of 256 MB RAM + 10 GB HDD. There is no way on this polluted earth can you do that with a Windows server, be it 2003 or 2008.
On a daily basis, I'm losing the faith I had with MS.
The only thing that I find MS has that has me wondering whether to skip all the way is VS and they're doing a fine job of botching that up in VS 2010, from what I hear.
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The only part of that I might disagree with is the VS2010 part. My only 'evidence' for that though is from looking at the Express versions of the modules and taking the C# module for a reasonable workout. I am getting far fewer unexplained crashes/lockups etc. in WPF than in VS2008.
My workouts are likely to be a little less strenuous than some though.
Henry Minute
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Everything I go by regarding VS 2010 is hearsay, I haven't tried it myself, but when you hear very conflicting reports, sometimes from the same people, that reeks of a certain inconsistency.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Everything I go by regarding VS 2010 is heresy
Psssst!
I think you might have meant "Everything I go by regarding VS 2010 is heresy hearsay"
Although the MS fanbois might think your original statement correct.
Henry Minute
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Me typo? Impossible!
 thanks for pointing it out!
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Hi Henry,
I think Mustafa nailed it: the interverse is infested with heretics, schismatics, open-sauce addicts, open sorcerers. Popular culture is infested with open sauciness in such drive-by-shooter mutant forms as Lady GaGa.
These groin-kicking satanic minions that attempt to defile Visual Studio cry out for bringing back the Inquisition, the Auto Da Fe, the Iron Maiden (not the band or their horrid music, but the torture instrument).
They brought down the CEO of HP after he doubled the stock price on dubious charges of hanking-the-pank after the Palm OS virus was injected into the company's culture.
The sky is falling. You will see more of Ballmer jumping up-and-down: hope his golden parachute does not fail to open.
best, Bill
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I nearly agree - except that Linux rocksTM until you starting different things with it, then the wheels start falling off.
HD sound is a great example - remember to make a separate copy of all the sound hard hardware options before updatign the driver as the system forgets the I/O mapping of your manufacturer then "Hey it's Linux just hack it"... 
If you have a working install never update it.
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Without a doubt, there are issues with Linux, but I have found that the major distros offer reasonably good support. Of course, there's not much "special" hardware that I'm using except for some Sangoma and Digium cards and since I'll be moving to FreeSwitch soon instead of asterisk and VOIP rather than E1/J1 based comms, I won't even need those.
The single biggest bone I want to pick with Linux is the relative inability to move applications from one distro to another. For that, my preference is FreeBSD. There is a formal structure that EVERYONE uses and sticks to.
Having said that, I'm currently building my PoC on FreeBSD 8.1 which is smoooooooooth like you will not believe.
Trollslayer wrote: If you have a working install never update it.
Yeah, I made that mistake once. Thank the heavens I had cloned it prior to committing that atrocious act!
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: the major distros offer reasonably good support
Unfortunately, that's not true for Ubuntu...you'll pull all your hair out trying to get a wireless card to work. Switched to Linux Mint, and had much more success, although still some issues.
Linux + wireless is still a bit iffy. I even bought a wireless card that had the driver supposedly in the kernel since 2.6.30, and both Ubuntu 10.4 and Linux Mint 9 (both with 2.6.32) can't see it, no matter what I try. But, Dell wireless on my laptop worked without a hitch in Linux Mint(but not Ubuntu).
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Eh? Ubuntu is one of three my primary OSes I uses from the Linux camp, the other two being Debian (Lenny) and CentOS (5.2+). Ubuntu usually goes for the desktop since its slightly easier to configure for users, the other 2 are servers and primarily Debian (and recently Ubuntu LTS) for everything except proprietary software; that gets CentOS because of the RHEL compat.
I have Ubuntu running on 6 machines at home, 3 of which are laptops (Linux is an awesome aqua re-vitae for old machines, so there are 11 machines throughout the house, each doing something with 4 clustered  ) and I have yet to encounter a wireless issue. The one issue I had was with my graphics card, but the was resolved when they released a patch. I'm not saying that you don't have a problem, but I'm wondering if you hit their forums? Linuxquestions.org? They really help out. What I find surprising is that they work on Mint but not Ubuntu, when Mint is essentially a new face on Ubuntu! They do almost no development on their systems.
All in all, Linux is a lot better than FreeBSD when it comes to variety and quantity of drivers; FreeBSD on the other hand, when they release a driver, you can bet your pair that they work right. FreeBSD is hands down, my preferred server machine when I can use it.
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I guess I was just unlucky...but I tried to install Ubuntu on 4 different computers (2 desktops, 2 laptops), and I couldn't get a wireless card to work on any of them. Linux Mint worked for me...who knows.
I did hit the forums, but not specifically linuxquestions.org, I'll have to give that a try. Thanks for the tip.
I'm pretty happy with Linux Mint, in general. That's one of the things I like about Linux, lots of 'flavors' for everyone!
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The first system I worked on was a mainframe, with 32k words of 36bit memory - a whopping 128KB! The size of a Commodore Pet. System Startup had to initialize the system and start the OS, the OS had to be able to execute a default assembly in 10 KB of memory, and every kernel module of the OS had to be capable of being assembled in a default assembly. Who needed more?
Dave.
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I still have a working BBC Micro. It's amazing what you could do in 16KB. I upgraded to 32KB and was really glad I did!
I also have an Acorn RISC machine which STILLdoes more in 4MB than a lot of PCS can do in 1GB!
My PC is a simple homebrew 4GB with Weven, so I don't just have out-of-date equipment.
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