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Nice, reminds me of that time an aquajet of 5 bar (extra large cork and Schrader valve) went off in my face.. not pleasant
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I am not in favor of funny things made by wasting food.
TOMZ_KV
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Water melon is not food - it barely counts as a fruit. 
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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I feel much better now. They are playing with water.
TOMZ_KV
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I thought watermelon was just a fancy container for Vodka...
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Its all fun and games until someone looses an eye. Then its just fun 
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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I've tried but I can't see what this post is about... I think I might be focussing my eyes on the wrong melons!
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Last week one of developers in my team told his co-workers how much is his salary.At the time i was on my vacation.
The next morning at the work, i saw others' face not look like good!!!though i could not figure out what has happend.At the evening when everybody was out, 2 of them asked me about increasing their saalry.Assume what has happend in my absence! We had some trouble during the rest of the week,calming down the employees not satisfy with their earnings.
So you guys out there, what is you firm policy on this? Do they tell you not telling your salary to others? Do you how much you colleague earns?
Regards,
Sedighzade
Behzad
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I don't know and don't really care what others make. This idiot should be fired for inappropriateness and the discord and disruption he has caused.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Really? I was thinking in the other direction: if I'm not even allowed to discuss people's salaries I'd call it oppression and quit.
Because, if you're not even allowed to talk about it, then there will be a reason for it - and it will be a bad reason. Such as people having wildly differing salaries for no apparent reason, other than that perhaps they are related to the boss or something lame like that.
If you're not allowed to discuss salaries, management can get away with favouritism (and is getting away with it, otherwise why wouldn't it be allowed?)
This sounds just as crazy as being fired for taking something out of the trash, in Germany they call that theft. Or charging your segway - stealing 1.5 cents of electricity. Insane stuff.
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harold aptroot wrote: not even allowed
It's not a case being allowed to discuss it, it's a case proper office etiquette that you shouldn't discuss it.
The company should have a defined scale though so even you may not not the exact amount you will know the other person is not making a substantial amount more for doing the same work.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Well the USA is weird 
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In the States you can't force your employees not to divulge their salaries to each other. However, many companies frown on it. In fact, doing so, is like two adolescents comparing sizes; it just seems dirty and wrong. Most people compare salaries at some point. The real trick is to make sure that every one's salary is equitable based on their contribution. If a low performer asks for a raise you then have ammunition to ask for more performance. However, high performers that find out they are underpaid compared to low performers just quit.
My personal policy is not to divulge my rate. Primarily because most people don't understand the expenses involved in being a consultant.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: Primarily because most people don't understand the expenses involved in being a consultant.
Like having your private harem of succubi oiled up in premium quality Extra Virgin Olive Oil? 
Excellent assessment of the situation.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: In the States you can't force your employees not to divulge their salaries to each other. However, many companies frown on it. In fact, doing so, is like two adolescents comparing sizes; it just seems dirty and wrong.
Are you kidding?
One of the first questions an American always asks you is "What do you make?"
My customary answer is not exactly KSS.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Salaries are confidential and should not be disclosed to other people in the company except on a need to know basis. That applies to the company, if he chooses to disclose his salary there is not much that can be done, although some companies may enforce a clause in their contract or conditions of employment. In my mind, it just shows the employee can't be trusted with confidential info, good luck getting a promotion or performance increase with that type of work ethic.
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In my office I know everybody's salary, but then I sign the cheques.
But it is 'understood' that you do not discuss salary, and I have had to issue threats on this matter in the past.
I have worked in places where discussion of salary if a sackable offence, Granada and Whitbread, for example.
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Dalek Dave wrote: I have worked in places where discussion of salary if a sackable offence, Granada and Whitbread, for example.
What a bunch of twats, my salary is my business and I will discuss with whomever I f***ing want.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Apart from being appallingly stupid, I also believe it is unenforceable in law. What if two employees become engaged? Can they not discuss their salaries together? No, sorreeee, you're both fired.
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Grounds to be fired for disclosure here
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fred_ wrote: Grounds to be fired for disclosure here
Disclosure of f***ing what? His salary, his business and he can tell anyone he wants.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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My company gave several people raises last year to bring everyone into line to get rid of this issue. People doing the same job should be paid the same. If some out perform others then a performance based bonus should be the way to differentiate, or the underperformers let go!
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There're problems with doing it that way. Bonuses aren't guaranteed from year to year which makes budgeting based on the assumption that you'll always have on dangerous and lenders are leery of counting them as income for loan approval for the same reasons.
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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If nobody know's what anyone else is making, it's hard to establish what your worth is. Most people underestimate what they should be earning for a salary and management likes it that way. If the underlings find out what they're actually worth they start asking for what they're worth, and management doesn't like that. And that's why it's taboo to talk about your salary.
If anything I'd be for more openness in this regard. It makes discrimination (racial, gender or otherwise) much harder to carry out.
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