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Don't need to:
1) It belongs in the soap box, or backroom.
2) You started the discussion with a clear Godwins.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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BTW: I don't know who is univoting you - compensated.
BTW2: It's "toe" the line, not "tow" the line.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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It's me.
Henry Minute
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus!
When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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Gets a five for honesty! 
It's good to see who is doing it, I think.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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OriginalGriff wrote: It's good to see who is doing it, I think.
Let's not start that whole conversation again. 
Henry Minute
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus!
When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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Is this the five minute discussion, or the full half hour?
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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OriginalGriff wrote: It's "toe" the line, not "tow" the line.
well i never i have been using it wrong for so long! learn something every day
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killabyte wrote: well i never i have been using it wrong for so long! learn something every day
You've also been using your keyboard wrongly... There's a shift key, ya know!
Iain.
I am one of "those foreigners coming over here and stealing our jobs". Yay me!
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OriginalGriff wrote: I don't know who is univoting you
I'm. His post does not belong here and Vote to Remove option is there for a reason.
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My first thought.
My second thought: Americans are just sick and tired of being "The Great Satan". The hours are long, the drinks watered or non-existent, and the costume chafes.
Software Zen: delete this;
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This really does belong in one of the previously mentioned fora. Why not ask the admins to move it?
Henry Minute
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus!
When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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The pen is mightier than the sword. But a leaky pen[^] is mightier than both. Full story here[^]. 
/ravi
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Hehehehe... You said pen is!
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}
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Hello..my first post!
So, some specifics about my career so far: I did my BSc in Software Engineering and IT (got above 80% scores on all of the practical assessments), and I'm doing my MSc in Web Software Engineering, and doing really good on it. Even chose a nice MSc dissertation: a non-text search system.
My interests in software development are mainly .NET, SQL (SQL Server and MySQL), and Java. Using these, I have done many personal projects and one small commercial project.
I achieved many felicitations in extracurricular activities, and I was also in the Student Council. So, I'm extremely good at self-learning, improvising, and using creative ways of doing the same task. I'm kinda strong in both hemispheres of the brain, since I also write music, poetry, fiction, and philosophical essays (and I've won prizes for all of these). 
Dilemma part:
I thrive on challenging assignments and tasks where I have autonomy and a lot of responsibility. It would also be great if I can add my right-brain talent to computing (or vice versa). I am finding it a bit hard to commit myself to one thing right now, because I'm not sure if any path would lead to the role I seek. 
So, despite my strong skills in coding and creative talent, I am doubtful whether my passion for coding and development will get me into a role I aim for.
My questions:
1) Is it really worth spending several years in a software development (coding, testing, etc.) role?
2) Even if I do start as a typical software developer in an Indian company (say TCS, Infosys, etc.), where would I typically be in 5-6 years (given my skills and talent)?
3) Is it really true that the so called 'desi' Indian companies exploit employees and make them work overtime?
Replies from everyone are welcome.. But I'm really keen to hear from someone with a lot of experience and exposure.
Thanks in advance...!! 
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Given that this is really only applicable to those with experience of Indian companies, you might get a better discussion and opinion in the General Indian Topics Forum - you'll find it in the list on the left of this page.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Alright...thanks!!
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My little experience in life has taught me that - choice is an illusion , so take things as they come. There is no one in this world who can predict where you would reach in in 5-6 years. Keep you habit of learning alive. There's just too much of stuff around to learn - you can choose to go in the "speed mode" or the "stamina mode" depending on your energy levels and ambition.
some times you might have to go through real sh*t in life to come out successful so don't create an opinion too early in life - about Indian companies.
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My question remains unanswered..but thanks anyways..
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Member 8398427 wrote: Is it really true that the so called 'desi' Indian companies exploit employees
and make them work overtime?
every company does this... if i cant make $2 for every $1 i pay an employee i aint guna hire.
Member 8398427 wrote: Is it really worth spending several years in a software development (coding,
testing, etc.) role?
If your a coder through in through then hell yes, if you want to be a manager then i am sure if you make the right noises the path will unfold before you as seen below
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Z%C3%BCrich_-_Kunsthaus_-_Rodin%27s_H%C3%B6llentor_IMG_7384_ShiftN.jpg[^]
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Just to back up what OriginalGriff said, the answer to all your questions are very specific to where you are and where you want to be. I currently work in Jordan (between Iraq and a Hard Place ) and I wouldn't advise anyone here to start an IT degree. In the UK (my home) it is a good career path, given as long as you choose the right companies.
The only thing that I assume is universal is the answer to this:
Member 8398427 wrote: 1) Is it really worth spending several years in a software development (coding,
testing, etc.) role?
And the answer is yes, but the number of years is different depending on what you want to do. If you want to stay on the technical side, you're never going to really leave this. For managerial work a good few years under your belt is going to help you understand the day-to-day business of development, and the various challenges it faces.
Totally off topic, but this is the first time I've heard the word "Desi" from a non-British-Indian or British-Pakistani. I thought it was a word they used to describe their own communities back in Blighty. Well that's something I've learned today!
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Thanks very much...
many apologies from my side if the term 'desi' is derogatory in any manner!
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Don't worry about Desi, it isn't derogatory. The BBC used to have a program called "Desi DNA" which was aimed at the Indian/Pakistani etc communities. I used to watch it as the girl who used to present it was very easy on the eye 
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Keith Barrow wrote: between Iraq and a Hard Place
I give you 5 just for that...
It may be a common phrase where you are but I have not heard it before 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I have not heard it before
Have you been living under Iraq!?
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Desi really means "our own country's". A lot of expat Indian communities use it to refer to themselves.
Keith Barrow wrote: this is the first time I've heard the word "Desi" from a non-British-Indian or British-Pakistani
How many Indian but non-British-Indian people do you know?
Cheers,
विक्रम
"We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread 
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