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OriginalGriff wrote: how "together", how seamless
It's interesting, isn't it?
I get what they tried to do, but they do need to bring things back completely under a single paradigm.
And this does not mean bringing them all under a dumbed-down paradigm. The number of times I have to hunt down the network property dialog to fix things that the lame-as Network settings page just can't handle drives me nuts.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: It's interesting, isn't it?
I do tend to agree with you about the settings screens being terrible - but it's just a matter of using them more to get used to them I think (aside from the obvious missing functionality, of course!)
I am stuck with Windows 7 at work and I must admit, I find the UI very outdated in general and don't find it a pleasant experience to use anymore, but I do like feeling like a power-user still: able to actually control my own windows experience.
Dumbed-down would great if it could just sort everything out without me thinking about it. Windows X.13?
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And it's getting worse, not better - once-good apps are Win10ifying and becoming useless.
I used to use VLC and it was excellent. So a clean install of the OS later, and I thought I'd try the latest version: vlc-for-windows-store[^] and it's useless! It's lost all the tools, keyboard operations, settings...and the display shows green bars where the old one didn't... Hello Mr Uninstaller...hello old version...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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From Windows 10 November update: FAQ[^]...
1. "Windows 10 is a service" - I think you should install an OS first to run a service...
2. "If it’s been less than 31 days since you upgraded to Windows 10, you won’t get the November update right away; this will allow you to go back to your previous version of Windows" - obviously there is no going-back after this update. Don't even dream about 7...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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My PC is currently running Win 7 to d download the Win 10 ISO ... and it's sooooooooo pretty ...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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After playing with Windows 10 preview went to update my base-VM for Windows 7 to block the 10 update for every new copy I create...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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It's not that bad - if you think of it as Win 8 SP2.
But then being "better than Win 8" isn't exactly much of a milestone.
It works, normally. And provided you don't want to do anything complicated (like tell it what to actually do) the it's OK, if ugly. But as soon as anything goes wrong it turns back into Win8.0 with DOS 2 error messages and "ease of use". 
Trouble is that I support a few people, and if I don't run it then I can't check what they are saying and have to drive over to see them and work it out there.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I always thought, that we are lucky to be a larger company and to be able to set to our customer, which OS to use and which not...A great help...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I'm in that position as well...sooner or later one of my guys is going to either cave in and install it or get it on a new laptop, so I had to know my way around it anyway.
I installed 'Destroy Windows Spying'...it's a composition of things like firewall rules and redirects in the HOSTS file to thwart Windows spying. One of the things it has is to turn off Windows Updates completely by Policy instead of just 'let me decide later'...so far, it's been working really well.
I don't automatically install anybody's updates anymore...they've permanently broken my trust in their good will and intentions.
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Have you tried reinstalling from scratch/iso? I had a problem with the windows 10 upgrade once and downloaded the ISO at a relatives to be sure. I was right and it was a problem with the upgrade. P.S. As far as getting to IP settings did you right click the connection->network and sharing center? which shows a interface like the windows 7 one? I prefer that compared to the settings app non-sense. You have to use settings app for certain settings while most of the important ones are in network and sharing center.
jeffery
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In addition, the new visual studio ISO is so big that you might corrupt windows if you install incorrectly (at minimum a messed up registry and reinstall visual studio but worst case you need to reinstall windows). I was surprised how long the visual studio installation took.
jeffery
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I am sooooo glad I made a full system backup before allowing Windows 10 to do its wicked work.
Having suffered the loss of my favourite applications because Win 10 spits them out and having suffered maxed out SSDs while updates are being installed while I am trying to get some work done, I blew Windows 10 away and reinstalled Windows 7 from the backup.
I'm happy.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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I found that about 06:30 this morning!
Win 10 IS currently installing from ISO onto a third 1TB HDD...
Then I can look at adding Chrome, SQL, VS, ... And my apps and data.
Then yet another backup... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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So far I did 3 "clean" installs of 10 from an ISO disc. Everything just worked for me.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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And if it does help, that means, that Microsoft was able to reintroduce a bug from early preview version - great job!
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Seamless update with absolutely no problems over a week ago. One happy bunny! I heap scorn on your self-fulfilling prophecies of doom and perfidious naysaying. 
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I installed Windows 10 the week it came out and had similar troubles with my laptop. The installation completely destroyed the entire network stack; no Internet no network connectivity.
The fix was to rollback. Rolling back was very easy.
The problem was that I have Cisco VPN software installed and after doing research, found that everyone else is having the same problem. To have a clean installation, users must first uninstall Cisco VPN software and then install Windows 10.
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Interesting. I'm updated just fine and it works better than ever. Sorry for your troubles. Wish I could help. 
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Until MS completely turns its stance and gets back to WinXP/Win7 ways of developing OS or there won't be any feasable way of running new software over Win7 I won't change - exactly as I did for 98 first and XP then, jumping over 2k and Vista. The first one broke compatibility to every game and driver I had (no, I won't buy new hardware for an OS), the second... should I say?
I jumped over Win8 and I hope to avoid 10. I'll be changing hardware soo though, and laptops are always one compatibility hell. I hope I won't be forced to install a "cured" Win7 ISO but I'm ready to do that if I must.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
"just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy
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I got network - but VPN was totally screwed.
I spent hours trying to make it work, but in the end the only thing that worked was to
'Refresh' aka reset Win10 to blank slate and reinstall all my apps.
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My laptop upgraded without incident to Win10 Pro from Win8.1 Pro months ago.
The November update, however, killed my WiFi connection and I had to restore to the earlier version to get it back.
The November update actually put my cable modem into a coma and killed it for everyone, not just my laptop.
Once back at my earlier version, I upgraded the WiFi adapter driver and the same thing happened, I lost my WiFi due to the cable modem going into a coma again.
I haven't tried to apply the November update again and then rollback the WiFi driver yet. That's next.
The moral of the story may be that the issue doesn't lay with Win10 itself, but the concomitant driver updates.
Cheers,
Mike Fidler
"I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright
"I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright
"I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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Similar thing for me on Thursday - dead network after install. Fortunately all I had to do was to manually install an ethernet adapter (updated from a few weeks back).
As a pessimist I'm still waiting for things to be broken but not yet, oddly enough.
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So,
Yesterday, my daughter thinks she brook her Brand New Surface Book.
The pen stopped working. The touch screen stopped working.
Because I have 30+ years of computer experience, I suggest a full reboot.
She complains that she rebooted JUST the day before. I suggest that she reboot,
unless she does not need the Pen, or the touchscreen... But reboot early, reboot often,
with a new Operating System, relatively new hardware.
She rebooted, and found this update took FOREVER. She comes to me and says that
she did not know it needed to install all of this. I suggested that "it knew", because
it started breaking things to force the issue  [I am cynical enough to believe they
may have done that on purpose!]
A long time after the reboot (she opened an old laptop and started watching netflix),
the computer finished, and all was good.
BTW, we love the Surface Book. Great features... Windows 10... Not so much!
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I have a brand new laptop that is doing something similar. I wonder if the update is the problem. For some reason the wifi just stops working. It works fine then it complains there is no internet and won't come back until I restart or at least go into sleep mode then back on.
Already reinstalled the driver, but it's still occurring. 
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