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0x01AA wrote: Quote: So we should just make sure that the virus is spread to everybody as soon as possible
NO! As slow as possible,
So, social distancing and lockdown?
OK, got it.
Now we have to sell it to the public.
I know! We'll put it to them rationally and logically!
It works with elections and referenda, it's bound to work with this, too!
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Member 7989122 wrote: So we should just make sure that the virus is spread to everybody as soon as possible, and those who survive will be immune, right?
Not sure how you got from "Once we have herd immunity this will be (it seems) a total non-issue" to "we should make sure we get everyone sick as fast as possible".
No, not even close.
The issue is we can't overload the hospitals. We either need herd immunity to naturally slow infections, quarantine to slow the spread, or treatment that means people avoid a hospital trip. We don't have option A, we're trying option B, and we're working our collective pharmaceutical bottoms off on option C.
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Chris Maunder
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The problem is: How do you build that "herd immunity"? Currently, we know of one way: To catch the corona virus.
The problem is that I frequently encounter arguments about "herd immunity" as a pancea to handling corona. If we only had herd immunity, corona wouldn't be any danger at all, see? So, let's solve the problem as fast as we can!
There was a strong element of sarcasm in my post. I certainly do not want to make everybody sick and let the survivors take over. Actually, I am afraid that the ditty might get that idea, and start makin people believe in it. After all, most of those that would die are elderly people who do not contribute significantly to the US econonomy, so once we get through and the strong, young survivors come back, we have cut a lot of non-profitable expenses!
Maybe we will not see that kind of arguments. Still, I am scared that he migth pick up this "herd immunity" as something that he migth build some speech on. Even if he doesn't explicitly line out the socially negative consequences, he might focus on how it would strengthen US economy to have population with a "herd immunity", without saying a word about the sacrifices in human life. Ignoring that he is certainly in the risk groups himself.
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At this point let's focus on keeping working to keep the economy going. Many, many things can still (and have to) continue even when we're 6 feet apart. Many of us (especially developers) can keep working just as well as before (in fact, even better for some of us!).
Stay sane, keep busy, carry on.
Everything else is outside of our control and will sort itself out one way or another.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: there is a real, on-the-ground issue with our hospital systems being overloaded
We reached that point in my region. A guy died last week of a (normaly) non-fatal car crash because there was no bed left in the ER to take care of him.
Do not make the same mistake than we did (in France) of underestimating the impact of the virus, in our full arrogance of thinking we are much "better" than Italians or Chinese in facing the crisis.
Honestly, I was fooled by the media, but not in the way you think : since they keep insisting on making a non-stop-4-week-top-story out of every single event that would not have been noticed by anybody in usual times, and this in increasing rates in the last decade, it has become hard to believe anything that is spread by the news. I underestimated the danger of the virus, and I should have stayed at home even earlier. You are always smarter after it happened, once you know all the real facts.
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Rage wrote: since they keep insisting on making a non-stop-4-week-top-story out of every single event that would not have been noticed by anybody in usual times, and this in increasing rates in the last decade, it has become hard to believe anything that is spread by the news
Absolutely.
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Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: ...a generation brought up on instant gratification and screamy reality TV.
I guess that's the difference between the slow cooker generation vs. the microwave generation. Devices, with their instant access to everything, will be the ultimate demise of humanity.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Chris Maunder wrote: I wish people were more logical. Unfortunately that would make them far less interesting.
I think I like boring.
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Chris Maunder wrote: there is a real, on-the-ground issue with our hospital systems being overloaded
Here in Italy the situation is still dramatic, even if the derivative of the contagion curve begins to show lower and lower values and hopefully, in a few days, negative values.
It is not nice to see the coffins piled up, doctors with less than 60 years of age dying, to know that any problem that can normally happen to you, such as an easily solvable accident, can become fatal because the hospitals are saturated.
I hope none of you have to be in this situation. I have not left the house since March 9th. Here there's the curfew (even if they don't call him by that name). Those who leave the house without a very valid reason are subject to very high penalties and/or immediately arrested.
The economic side will be dramatic but I can guarantee you that the human side is now very, very involving and touching.
Do not make the mistake we made at the beginning to underestimate the situation by saying that it is a trivial influence: it is NOT a trivial influence. Many young people also fall ill, and some die, and these are not people who are already physically compromised: none of us can know in advance what kind of reaction he will have. There are mild reactions and in some cases reactions that resemble anaphylactic shocks. The pulmonary alveoli close due to edemas and they die even if you are attached to the respiratory machine.
This is not a joke.
Be carefully.
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Chris Maunder
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Quote: I wish people were more logical
I wish common sense was more common.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Speak for yourself!
Never been 'useful' in my life. 
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Why break a habit, right?
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Exactly! 
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And finally establish a global government.
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never let a crisis go to waste
Real programmers use butterflies
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: And finally establish a global government.
We've pretty much already got that.
It's Russian.
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Not quite global.
Former Soviet economist posing a riddle at a conference: The USSR has finally succeeded in conquering the world but has left New Zealand alone. Why?
Answer: To use it as a reference for market prices.
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. . . I know someone who sounds awfully ripe and ready to be harvested by conspiracy theories!
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nah. if anything, i just listened to too much jello biafra as an impressionable youth 
Real programmers use butterflies
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A new term to describe my normal way of life. It's about time the rest of you all caught on.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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and I thought it caught on when the smart phone was released.
I'm hiding from exercise...I'm in the fitness protection program.
JaxCoder.com
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Seeing FB/Twitter and other things I can't see why it is so hard to keep your distance... I remember the couple form the other day in the restaurant - both barricaded behind a 7" screen... Quality time...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: I remember the couple form the other day in the restaurant - both barricaded behind a 7" screen... Quality time...
Well, according to facebook, they were being social.
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