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raddevus8-Jul-20 3:36

8-Jul-20 3:36

Fantastic points. I agree. Great post. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

Nelek8-Jul-20 8:28

8-Jul-20 8:28

Thanks

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Nelek7-Jul-20 8:24

7-Jul-20 8:24

Sander Rossel wrote:
I find it funny that people are worrying about artificial super intelligence while we don't even have artificial regular intelligence yet.

I am not worry about super AI, because I agree with you.

I am worried about idiots in charge (and in the society itself) giving the falible and not so intelligent systems so much power.

Sander Rossel wrote:
There's a few super computers out there that run very complex computations and simulations and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them concludes it'd be best if the entire world got nuked and reset

Exactly...
Hello David, do you want to play a game...?

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englebart8-Jul-20 4:57

englebart

8-Jul-20 4:57

You forgot to credit the WHOPPER with the quote. I remember it as "Would you like to play a game?"
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Movie: War Games

Nelek8-Jul-20 8:25

8-Jul-20 8:25

englebart wrote:
You forgot to credit the WHOPPER with the quote.

englebart wrote:
I remember it as "Would you like to play a game?"

And might be like that. I saw it 20 years ago in spanish...

englebart wrote:
Movie: War Games

Exactly.

M.D.V.

englebart8-Jul-20 9:10

englebart

8-Jul-20 9:10

My faulty Spanish:
¿Te gustaría jugar un juego?

I just found the original English:
"Shall we play a game?"

My brain stored it closer to your translation than the original. I think I saw the original version in the theater as a teenager. Soy viejo.

Nelek8-Jul-20 11:49

8-Jul-20 11:49

I saw it on TV as kid, I am not that old, but neither a youngster Wink | ;)

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Dave DD8-Jul-20 4:01

Dave DD

8-Jul-20 4:01

As someone who has taken an IQ test administered by doctors of psychology I can assure you that jungle dwelling indigenous peoples would score much higher than 1. An proper IQ test covers much more than book learning.

megaadam6-Jul-20 23:27

megaadam

6-Jul-20 23:27

Two other excellent books are:
Life 3.0 - Wikipedia[^]
Which starts with an entertaining story of how a [benign] AI might take over. It then is slow but halfway through the book it becomes super-interesting again

And the other one is pretty advanced, I can recommend it warmly:
Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies - Wikipedia[^]

BTW, who noticed the absence of marketing the market leaders?

"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

raddevus7-Jul-20 2:37

7-Jul-20 2:37

Thanks for the additional resources. I've seen that Max Tegmark book before. Will take a closer look.

Vikram A Punathambekar6-Jul-20 23:31

Vikram A Punathambekar

6-Jul-20 23:31

Predicting the future is incredibly hard.

A conclave of the smartest apes in the world 2 million years ago wouldn't have been able to predict today's world.

Hell, the smartest humans 1000 years ago wouldn't have been able to predict, say, the moon landings or mass communication.

Cheers,
विक्रम

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JohaViss618-Jul-20 0:44

JohaViss61

8-Jul-20 0:44

What people call AI is not more than some (clever) algorithms.

Even so-called human intelligence, are basically learned algorithms.
The only thing that humans have, is a form of creativity.

If we would compare the 'intelligence' of the people that build Stonehenge to our own, they would be considered rather unintelligent. But we couldn't survive in their time for more than a few days(at most)

basically AI is the next version of what was called CA*. (CAD, CAM, etc)
We should call it what it really is: Computer-Aided Decision Making (CADM) Cool | :cool:

Let's face it: humans are not 'intelligent' enough to fix the current problems in the world, so don't expect them to create 'Artificial Intelligence' WTF | :WTF:

CCostaT8-Jul-20 2:30

CCostaT

8-Jul-20 2:30

Actually that is the same argument for why, possibly, aliens would destroy humanity if they ever came here. We are nothing compared to advanced civilizations so they wouldn't care about us. No malicious intent necessary.

Lex Fridman had an awesome interview with Michio Kaku where they discuss this. It's super interesting.
Here's the link if you want to take a look (starts at 15 minutes): Michio Kaku: Future of Humans, Aliens, Space Travel & Physics | Artificial Intelligence (AI) Podcast[^]

raddevus8-Jul-20 3:40

8-Jul-20 3:40

CCostaT wrote:
Actually that is the same argument for why, possibly, aliens would destroy humanity if they ever came here

The comparison to aliens arriving is a good one. I was also reading Human Compatible: Artificial Intelligence and the Problem of Control[^]

That author says something along the lines of what would we think and how would we react if we knew that intelligent aliens would arrive in 10 years? They very well may arrive in the form of AI.

Bruce Patin8-Jul-20 3:14

Bruce Patin

8-Jul-20 3:14

Someone asked an ET how many civilizations in the galaxy had android soldiers. The answer was zero, because any civilization that developed them was destroyed by them.

raddevus8-Jul-20 3:41

8-Jul-20 3:41

That's funny/interesting. Is that a quote form the movie ET or something else?

Bruce Patin8-Jul-20 3:55

Bruce Patin

8-Jul-20 3:55

It's from the Twitter account @SandiaWisdom, which I've decided is an alter ego of the psychic who runs it.

Kirk 103898218-Jul-20 11:24

Kirk 10389821

8-Jul-20 11:24

The scariest thing I read was:
Given that General AI isn't a thing yet, and that is what to be afraid of...

But also given, that if you thought of what General AI was, it's actually an AI that manages Specific AIs with feedback on how each performed, and limited resources (You can only play so many games of Go, or the Chess games have to stop)...

If they find a SIMPLE enough way to represent the "Many Personalities" of General Intelligence as a game dashboard of option, where the main AI gets rewards for making all of his AI Personalities top-notch, while managing the CPU/Resources...

I fear we are in trouble. And since a moron like myself can put it in such simple terms, it scares me because SOMEONE has to be working on exactly this. (This is a riff on the Hopfield Hierarchical Network, but at more of an architectural level, IMO).

Thanks for sharing!

raddevus8-Jul-20 14:57

8-Jul-20 14:57

Kirk 10389821 wrote:
If they find a SIMPLE enough way to represent the "Many Personalities" of General Intelligence as a game dashboard of option, where the main AI gets rewards for making all of his AI Personalities top-notch, while managing the CPU/Resources...

That's a really great high-level design idea and makes sense. Then the AI is the maintainer of all the other AIs and insures they are all top notch while needing no sleep or food or anything. And would all just keep getting better and better.

Charlie Daniels has left us

Kirk 103898218-Jul-20 17:20

Kirk 10389821

8-Jul-20 17:20

Yeah,
there is a bleed-over concept that is missing. But "magic insight" happens when we apply theory from one area of expertise to another. (Picture the math behind music, or using meditation to to eventually learn to control ones blood pressure on demand)...

So, this would be an "integrator AI" piece. It's job would be to see if any tricks learned by ANY ONE AI could be reflected as a strategy/paradigm shift in another AI. Could a strategy that works at Go somehow be optimized into learning to fly, or playing chess, or playing the piano.

One of the other interesting ideas is that as humans we struggle with energy/stamina. Sometimes we optimize things PURELY to conserve Energy (System 1 vs. System 2 for quick analysis). AIs do not suffer from this, but they don't gain from it.

Also, I believe a lot of training is GAN (working against another AI). Being able to swap sides, or choose various AIs to test our skills with, to see if they are worth adopting...

To be clear. Humans take experience from playing piano, and carry it into other areas pretty easily. A segmented AI would have to work at this. Once it could do that, and manage multiple personalities, I think we are there...

Mike Hankey6-Jul-20 8:11

Mike Hankey

6-Jul-20 8:11

Charlie Daniels Dead: Country Star Was 83 – Variety[^]

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jeron16-Jul-20 8:23

jeron1

6-Jul-20 8:23

Sorry to hear. Frown | :(

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kmoorevs6-Jul-20 9:56

kmoorevs

6-Jul-20 9:56

This sad news prompted me to listen through the only Charlie Daniels Band album I have appropriately named, 'Super Hits'. It's not generally my cup of tea, but I always respected the incredible musical talent combined with the art of storytelling...country/boogie/rock/funk/folk all rolled together. Rose | [Rose]

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Cp-Coder7-Jul-20 2:01

Cp-Coder

7-Jul-20 2:01

I enjoyed his music.
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