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harold aptroot4-Feb-21 5:45
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John R. Shaw4-Feb-21 12:28
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trønderen5-Feb-21 4:11
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dandy725-Feb-21 4:38
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trønderen4-Feb-21 7:17
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The question you rise is far more general. When does prison punishment make sense? Does it ever serve as a cure to the root of the crime, leading the prisoner away from his way of behavior?

Does anyone seriously believe that the way to make a burglar stay away from future burglary is to put him closely together with a hundred other burglars for a year or two?

What about a dope peddler? Let him meet other dope peddlers, the most important thing they have in common is to talk about how they have managed to stay out of the hands of the police for a long time, and discuss what went wrong so they were caught?

Drug users thrown in prison, how many of those ended up as clean after their sentence? How many learned even more about how to use different drugs?

Putting a lot of political extremists together behind bars, like a boot camp - do they end up as moderates? (Mentioning Guantanamo bay at all is politics, but I dare it: Who thinks that the inmates could ever be released from their cells after 15-20 years and appear as a fierce warrior for Western culture?)

For 'moral violence', such as touching another person's skin in ways we have ruled unlawful: A great majority of such cases result from a lack of skin contact. In our culture, we deny any sort of body contact unless both bodies are covered by at least two layers of cloth (except hand-to-hand contact) unless the two are recognized by law/church as 'lovers'. Look at 'primitive' cultures and our closely related species to see how 'natural' such restrictions are, and how much we can expect the real cause to be addressed by completely isolating the offender - the person seeking physical contact with others of his own species - so that he will have no opportunity to cover basic biological needs? It is like a starved man breaking into a bakery for a loaf of bread, trying to treat his urges for food by putting him in a cage and denying him any food!

Imprisonment serves a single purpose: Revenge! Vengeance!

Oh well ... Sometimes prison oppression may succeed in completely breaking down a human, making him an obedient, submissive slave of the demands of the society, deprived of any pride. But in the great majority of cases, or main goal is revenge, vengeance and 'keep that guy away from me'. It has very little to do with bringing the person back as a fully functional member of society.

The US of A has certainly not been in the forefront of trying alternate forms of treatment with the goal to really cure the underlaying problem and bring the offenders back to society. Other countries can point to treatment programs with far higher success rates in bringing offenders back to society as ordinary citizens.

Tying this up with the original issue: Even if you for the rest of your life have a third of your net income confiscated to cover your debts, but you can keep on in your ordinary job, that is far better than having to serve in a prison chain gang for several years.
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