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lmoelleb19-May-22 9:58
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In terms of 2 1/2 hours talking to business owners, I know everybody does agile differently, but my interpretation is that having devs interacting with business users is central to agile processes.

From the 'Manifesto':
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Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
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Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
From the 'Principles':
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Business people and developers must work together daily throughout the project
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The most efficient and effective method of conveying information to and within a development team is face-to-face conversation

My personal experience in development is that the worst problems come from a lack of understanding of requirements, and that the more you have people as conduits for requirements between the business and devs, the more likely misunderstandings will arise. So, as painful as 2 1/2 hours away from the lovely code may be, in my view it's time well spent.

That's not to say that I don't think PMs are useful; I just don't think they should be a buffer between devs and the business.
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