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trønderen4-Jul-23 8:03

trønderen

4-Jul-23 8:03

I believe that it was in 1983 (maybe 1984) when a co-worker down the corridor sent me an email, asking if we should go to the movies that night. When I asked why he didn't come to my office to ask, he didn't see the point: Using email, he could ask me without leaving his desk.

That was 40 years ago. Maybe we shouldn't complain about kids today being lazy.

glennPattonWork34-Jul-23 9:17

glennPattonWork3

4-Jul-23 9:17

So it's not new? the forum has changed though.

modified 4-Jul-23 14:35pm.

rjmoses5-Jul-23 2:16

rjmoses

5-Jul-23 2:16

Laziness is laziness. Lazy people will try anything to put out minimal effort.

And, having said that, I work very hard at being lazy--but I call it being efficient.

(Thinking is the hardest work a person can do.)

DougInNC25-Jul-23 4:12

DougInNC2

5-Jul-23 4:12

When I was in college, back when most folks had to go to the computer lab to get on a computer, I was early to class and talking with a girl who was also early. Another girl came in and said, "I just sent you an email." The first girl got up and jogged down to the computer lab. When she came back she said, "I sent you a reply." The second girl then got up and jogged down to the computer lab to read it.

Maybe its not laziness, maybe its just stupidity.

jschell5-Jul-23 6:33

5-Jul-23 6:33

Well I suspect then it was the novelty.

But could also be because they didn't want to discuss something in front of you.

DougInNC25-Jul-23 6:40

DougInNC2

5-Jul-23 6:40

True and True

jschell5-Jul-23 6:55

5-Jul-23 6:55

Email, texting, online chat.

All the same in that I can defer responding. If the person is in my face I have to respond right then regardless of what I am doing.

ormonds5-Jul-23 19:26

ormonds

5-Jul-23 19:26

Not sure I agree. If I get up and walk a few metres to another office I am assuming that what I want to talk about is more important than what the other person is doing and and that I am entitled to interrupt. If I send an email I am saying "there is a question here for when you are ready to deal with it".

dandy724-Jul-23 3:36

dandy72

4-Jul-23 3:36

Lemme guess, on top of that, they initially went through 20 minutes of connectivity issues...

Indivara4-Jul-23 3:44

Indivara

4-Jul-23 3:44

I use it to share my screen even when in the same room.

GKP19924-Jul-23 6:15

GKP1992

4-Jul-23 6:15

I guess it's the hassle of having to connect to a projector to share your screen which everyone and having to wait on people to arrive that makes it less appealing than a simple teams meeting. But yeah it boils down to being lazy. Laugh | :laugh:

Nelek4-Jul-23 14:01

4-Jul-23 14:01

I hate it, specially because I hear people in the room twice (real sound and headsets).
If I am in a meeting with more people and someone is in the same room, I change the room.

If all are in the same room, I just tell them to come over to my desk and if anyone else is going to share the screen and talk the most time, then I change the room.

M.D.V.

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jschell5-Jul-23 6:35

5-Jul-23 6:35

Nelek wrote:
because I hear people in the room twice (real sound and headsets).

???
You know you know that everyone can mute right? And still share the screen?

Nelek5-Jul-23 13:15

5-Jul-23 13:15

Mute usually is for the whole meeting, and sometimes there are people outside the office. Or do you mean a local mute?

Additionally, I hear them twice, but I here them better in the headset (ambient noise / other people, if we are all there we are 14 in the same office)

M.D.V.

jschell6-Jul-23 6:14

6-Jul-23 6:14

I am guessing that you mean that some people are in a conference room and other people are remote. Then the problem shows up.

No I do not see the point of being in a conference room in that case. There are interactions/processes that one might do in a in person meeting which do not work if there are remote attendees. And people in a room tend to engage in those because they are in the room. So the organizer should not attempt to do it in a conference room.

For that I am referring to a working meeting rather than for example a company meeting. For the latter the format of the meeting is fixed (or should be) and there should be presenters. A working meeting should represent a relatively free flow of ideas.

Nelek6-Jul-23 12:55

6-Jul-23 12:55

We are not in a conference room, we are in our desks at office. And two or three people in the meeting are in the same room than me (at their desks, and me at mine)

M.D.V.

jschell7-Jul-23 12:46

7-Jul-23 12:46

Nelek wrote:
are in the same room than me (at their desks, and me at mine)

Ah...didn't think of that.

Are they cubes or just desks?

With low cubes I have had some meetings like that but often with actual attendees not normally next to each other. Those were just status meetings. I think for long design meetings I would then request a conference room in that case.

Nelek7-Jul-23 14:16

7-Jul-23 14:16

jschell wrote:
Are they cubes or just desks?

Desks with a mini wall between the other desk in front, but not to the sides.

M.D.V.

jschell10-Jul-23 4:37

10-Jul-23 4:37

Err...that isn't a desk.

It is a table.

Sort of like having a holiday dinner. Food on table is between you and the person across from you but besides you is the obnoxious uncle that keeps elbowing you.

Nelek15-Jul-23 13:34

15-Jul-23 13:34

luckily behind me is wall

M.D.V.

Cpichols5-Jul-23 2:53

Cpichols

5-Jul-23 2:53

Someone just needs to bring the biscuits and coffee. They're out of practice, and some are so shiny new that they know no other way. They need a mentor, that's all.

abmv5-Jul-23 3:29

abmv

5-Jul-23 3:29

why have meetings in the first place.. i thought AI replaced all the coders

Caveat Emptor.

"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

MikeCO105-Jul-23 4:04

MikeCO10

5-Jul-23 4:04

Hmm, I think I'm going to disagree to some extent, or at least in many situations. Teams/Zoom has become the norm for more than laziness. I believe it may be over the top if the participants are all close to each other in the same building, on the same floor, and a conference room is handy, but in most other cases, not so much.

- If any user is remote and on teams, then all should be. Most conference rooms don't have the advanced 'speaker based' camera systems so it can be hard to tell who's talking and sometimes they may not even be totally visible.
- If anyone has to travel more than a few minutes, the time lost even without counting any social time that may come up, can be substantial.
- Some meetings are not that active and I've gotten lots of work done just lurking. In other cases, I can write some notes or even outline a code block of the discussion during the meeting. I have all the tools right in front of me and although I can bring a tablet or laptop to a meeting, it's not the same thing. Is being head down in your laptop any different than an online meeting?
- Again to time, online meetings tend to start and end on time. Sure, there are exceptions. So the hour you block out for the meeting is generally pretty close to an hour.

I'm a social person and like in-person meetings but in review of pre and post pandemic, most in-person meetings added time due to both the social piece and inefficiency.

snorkie5-Jul-23 6:34

snorkie

5-Jul-23 6:34

We have one of the speaker based camera systems in the office. The first day we had it, it was comical. We were goofing around to get it to pan and zoom and the meeting was totally unproductive...

After using it for a week, everybody hates it. The auto panning/zooming of the camera to the speaker makes people uncomfortable. We disable it whenever it is enabled.

Hogan

jschell5-Jul-23 6:37