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I mean true they're less now, but all computers are. They cost a fortune for what they were back even in the late 80s.
When I say they cost a lot, I'm talking in todays terms relative to what a modern computer would cost.
My point is you could pick yourself up a half decent laptop for what it would cost to get a little 8 bit monster with a monochrome screen that's about as portable as a bag of bowling balls.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I mean true they're less now, but all computers are
I figured you were referring to something else.
An original Apple, thus before IIe, now could be worth somewhere around $250,000 depending on various factors.
I figured that is what you might have been referring to.
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No I was just thinking of like the Apple ][s and stuff.
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Ha! I remember the SWEET16 instruction set.
Wow, this brings back memories. I cut my teeth programming 65(c)02s and 65c816 chips in Apple computers in 1986.
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6500 series of CPU's had an excellent instruction set compared to the clunky Intel.
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They were a little buggy though. I know because when I emulated the 6502 I had to emulate the bugs because some software relied on them being there. 
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Historical note:
In the 1980s, CERN bought mini/supermini computers from two vendors that experienced the same thing: The VAX-780 had a bug (I never knew the detail of that bug) that DEC proudly announced that would be fixed in the upcoming VAX-750. To which CERN replied that in that case, the 750 would never be on their shopping list: They had developed their software working around that bug, and they were not going to maintain one software version with the workaround, and another without. So the bug was not fixed.
Not long thereafter, Norsk Data made a similar announcement for the ND-100, the successor of Nord-10, which had a well known bug in the MOD calculation when both arguments were negative. They received a similar message from CERN: If the ND-100 was not 100% software compatible with the Nord-10, CERN wouldn't buy it. So Norsk Data changed the bug to a feature, i.e. they documented the old behavior, and stuck to it for the ND-100.
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i recently learned of boost::safe_numerics . my worries of C++ int arithmetic overflow are over .
[edit] but not really .
[edit] i rolled my own i consider superior assuming no bugs as it is rather crude/clumsy/complex and have no idea how to test . can provide source to those interested .
modified 26-Sep-23 13:30pm.
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Cyberpunk and BG3 all crash on repeat for me now, shortly after starting.
Even Overwatch seems to crash (though less often).
I don't see other people complaining and I suspect something with my system....
But.. I ran Memory Diagnostic: nothing found. DxDiag: not sure how to read it, but seems fine.
Looking at Event Viewer, the error info is unhelpful.
The only thing I know that is kind of strange with my system, and makes me slightly nervous, is if I use the power button to stop it, I can't start it for like 5 minutes.. if I try it glow briefly, start the fan and then stops. Looks like static electricity issue.. but no idea what to do about it or whether it is releated. I have this problem from day 1 (in April) but the game crashed only started this weekend... :/
I recently updated the NVidia driver, currently with latest 537.42, no one else seems to report that... :/
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Hey,
Go setup a user-mode dump. Then start your application, let it crash and we can read the dump in WinDbg to try and determine the cause.
Edit: Use 0x00000121 as the CustomDumpFlag
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Great idea, on it! 
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Use 0x00000121 and don't do a full dump. Mini is fine.
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ditto
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Dumps are fine when it's a software issue, but for hardware oddities they generally don't tell you much.
Do you have an oscilloscope or multimeter? I'd start by looking at the simple stuff like PSU voltages. If it's all fine until you start a graphics intensive game, it's quite possible that the PSU can't keep up with the load and voltages are dropping out.
What GPU card are you running, how many watts is it rated at, and what's the PSU rated at? I like to run with at least a 25% margin on the PSU - so if my processor, drives, and GPU are rated to need max 400W, I'll get a 500 or 550 watt PSU.
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The 4080 is a power hungry card, but the recommended specs are for a 750w PSU and you have 1Kw so you should be fine, even with a top end processor and several big HDDs.
But if the problem is getting worse it's unlikely to be software. Does anything else that uses significant GPU die, or do they work? If nothing else that tests your card fails, at least you can pretty much eliminate that ... which would be nice, given the cost of those things!
Have you tried something like this: Open Hardware Monitor - Core temp, fan speed and voltages in a free software gadget[^] - it can monitor voltages, temperatures, etc while your game is running which might help to eliminate problems.
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Only used NVIDIA performance overlay.
I dunno waht to look for, but as far as I can tell, temperature and memory usage are fine...
Gotta look at that thing you suggested!
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Looks like the MSI PRO X790-A doesn't report voltages (or OHM can't get them for some reason), which is a pity.
It does for me: 2023-09-24-OHMGriff hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB[^]
Sorry, but I'm out of ideas from this distance!
Good luck. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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OriginalGriff wrote: I like to run with at least a 25% margin on the PSU - so if my processor, drives, and GPU are rated to need max 400W, I'll get a 500 or 550 watt PSU.
Not only is good for that, but for possible future upgrades too.
I calculated my total need in high comsumption to be something less than 700W and I bought the 850W, next option would have been 1000W and I decided against it, because too much "unused" PSU should be avoided.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Do you have an oscilloscope
That escalated quickly. 
Software Zen: delete this;
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It's one of the handiest hardware debugging tools I know! Being able to just watch power lines and see if they drop under load ... checking serial coms are happening at all, never mind what speed ...
And you can buy one (albeit a cheap and crappy one with a tiny display) for under £25 on FleaBay if you can tolerate Chinese electronics!
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Oscilloscope for checking for faulty power supplies is a good idea - I ended up buying a cheap second hand one for exactly this purpose.
A big alternative is a bin of spare parts. You can quite quickly isolate a faulty component if you can swap out components that are hopefully themselves good. Trouble is most people, even if they have multiple computers like me, the machines span different hardware generations, each of which have incompatible connectors between CPUs, memory modules, draw different amounts of power etc.
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I found this thread in german. If you have problems with the translations tell me, I can help you on that.
Gigabyte Rtx 4080 stürzt ab bei 3DMark und Spielen unter Last über längere Zeit | ComputerBase Forum[^]
TL;DR; As OG said, looks like a consumption problem. In the thread are a couple of tools that might help. Recomendations avoid overtact, reduce MPO, check if the card in other system gives the same problem...
A guy says that in other forum people was complaining about DOA (dead on arrival) cables, how long have you been using it and when did it start to give problems?
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Bough it in April... started to have crashes.. this weekend?
The power consumption seems fine... only used up to 300W in the captured image... (And I have an 1kW PSU)
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