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trønderen12-Nov-22 8:44
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jschell14-Nov-22 7:06
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trønderen14-Nov-22 10:57
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jschell28-Nov-22 11:17
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trønderen wrote:
I do not thing we ought to make "our code to be unintelligible for the customer"!


I realize what you are saying.

trønderen wrote:
My old mother could not distinguish between a PC


I didn't claim people were stupid. I never do that. I disdain programmers that think users are stupid.

But as I pointed out your idea is not new. COBOL was created with that in mind in that someone besides a programmer could read the code and more easily understand that.

The problem however is still that to actually create an application which is complex the details/process requires that someone somewhere must still be a 'programmer'. And all attempts to move that out of the developer space either result is something that only supports simplistic examples or it requires that someone else (like a customer) must then become a 'developer.'

trønderen wrote:
I have been teaching '101 Programming' to people who had never before sat down at a computer


So you were teaching them to be programmers. Not users.

trønderen wrote:
I know that users with domain knowledge and experience are very good at understand even tiny little details in a computer solution, if you are willing to listen to them when they tell you something and try to talk in a similar language when you explain your proposals to them.


I have written requirements for entire systems based on user/customer requests. Designed architectures and designs to meet the needs as they describe. While leading them through the process of not only describing what they want and need but also picking through the parts that they understand but have not verbalized such as (the very common need) of how to handle failure scenarios.

But I do that so they can focus on what they do best while others (developers) focus on what they do best.
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Gerry Schmitz15-Nov-22 8:48
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jschell28-Nov-22 11:20
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